How Does My Pct Look?

[testosterona]

this PCT will be following a 16wk cycle including test/tren /var.

Wk1-2 HCG 5,000iu's first day, then 750iu's eod for the duration of 13days
wk1-3 nolva 50mgs ed
wk4-6 nolva 50mgs eod
wk1-8 a-dex .5mgs eod
wk1-8 proviron 50mgs ed

how does it look? i know the HCG dose is high, but iv been reading that an initial SHOCK to the testes at the begining of hcg therapy is the way to go......hence the initial dose. opinions on this? i'm almost looking forward to this PCT, it looks so pretty! first time w/ proviron too!

[Kale]

Wher did you get this from ? Or did you make it yourself ?

[testosterona]

well, i used to be a firm beleiver in not using HCG in PCT since it is said to be suppressive. then i saw some compelling lab tests done during PCT in anabolics 06' that prove otherwise. as long as you use it in the first couple wks of PCT, no suppression of the HPTA will occur as it is already shutdown. the PCT as a whole, i thought up. don't likie clomid wich is why i left that out. and i hear great things about a-dex in PCT as well as proviron , so those are both new to me.

[Kale]

well, i used to be a firm beleiver in not using HCG in PCT since it is said to be suppressive. then i saw some compelling lab tests done during PCT in anabolics 06' that prove otherwise. as long as you use it in the first couple wks of PCT, no suppression of the HPTA will occur as it is already shutdown. the PCT as a whole, i thought up. don't likie clomid wich is why i left that out. and i hear great things about a-dex in PCT as well as proviron, so those are both new to me.

Sounds good to me, not sure what a big whack of HCG like 5000 Iu's is going to do to you but at the end of the day we are all lab rats. Let me know how it goes. I dont do PCT any more but I am still very interested to hear your feedback.

[testosterona]

lol, i know, it's a huge dose! they are meant for one time use though, and since they are for humans, why not eh? i'll LYK kale, won't be for a while though. thanks for the input

[goose]

Nolva above 20mg is a waste,I would do week 1-6 20mg ED, your PCT looks good.

[Swifto]

this PCT will be following a 16wk cycle including test/tren /var.

Wk1-2 HCG 5,000iu's first day, then 750iu's eod for the duration of 13days
wk1-3 nolva 50mgs ed
wk4-6 nolva 50mgs eod
wk1-8 a-dex .5mgs eod
wk1-8 proviron 50mgs ed

how does it look? i know the HCG dose is high, but iv been reading that an initial SHOCK to the testes at the begining of hcg therapy is the way to go......hence the initial dose. opinions on this? i'm almost looking forward to this PCT, it looks so pretty! first time w/ proviron too!

Where did this come from?

I was, and am, under the impression anything over 1500-2000ius in a single shot would cause Leydig Cell desentisisation and suppression of ganadotropins.

[peump]

Nolva above 20mg is a waste,I would do week 1-6 20mg ED, your PCT looks good.

agreed

I was, and am, under the impression anything over 1500-2000ius in a single shot would cause Leydig Cell desentisisation and suppression of ganadotropins.

and me too

[testosterona]

Nolva above 20mg is a waste,I would do week 1-6 20mg ED, your PCT looks good.

thanks goose, what's the reason for this? do you know? what do you think of the HCG dose?

swifto, i read it in a couple HCG profiles online. that's why i'm posting it first, to try and get feedback. but the 5,000iu amps are made for one time use, so i can't see how it would do any harm.....

[peump]

thanks goose, what's the reason for this? do you know? what do you think of the HCG dose?

swifto, i read it in a couple HCG profiles online. that's why i'm posting it first, to try and get feedback. but the 5,000iu amps are made for one time use, so i can't see how it would do any harm.....

the 5,000 amps are for one time use in pregnant chicks to induce labor(ovulation)

i would run 500iu for 14 days ending it on the day before you start the rest of the pct,

i know that there is some new pct protocol per hooker but i've yet to read numerous accounts of it being as efficent or more so than the Pheeno pct

[Swifto]

thanks goose, what's the reason for this? do you know? what do you think of the HCG dose?

swifto, i read it in a couple HCG profiles online. that's why i'm posting it first, to try and get feedback. but the 5,000iu amps are made for one time use, so i can't see how it would do any harm.....

Thats fine. But...What is HCG made/produced for...?

[testosterona]

the 5,000 amps are for one time use in pregnant chicks to induce labor

i would run 500iu for 14 days ending it on the day before you start the rest of the pct,

i know that there is some new pct protocol per hooker but i've yet to read numerous accounts of it being as efficent or more so than the Pheeno pct

lol, this is true! just looking for educated opinions. there is so much contraversyu on HCG use i don't know what to do!

[mindongoal]

I agree with swifto as well. In pct 500 iu's EOD for 1-2 weeks should do the job very well. IMO i think 5000 iu's is way too much your balls are going to fell like that icon.

[goose]

`SO how much Nolvadex should you use during PCT? I favor using 20mgs.day, although to be totally honest, you can probably even get away with far less than that. Doses as low as 5mgs/day have proven to be as effective as 20mgs/day for certain areas of gonadal stimulation. (8) 20mgs/day, however, is a dose that myself and others have used with great success, and the research I’ve done in this area typically uses this milligram amount. SO lets stick with 20mgs/day for now`

This is from hooker............

[AnabolicAndre]

WOW. 5000IUs I dont have any experience with HCG so I can't comment on its personal use but I have see 300-500ius every 3day as a common dose.

[testosterona]

can anybody dig up some HCG info. i can't seem to find much! if all else fail i may just stick w/ 2,000iu's initially to be on the safe side.

[peump]

the adult dose for male hypogonandtropic hypogonadism is 1000 to 4000iu IM two to three times a weekly for several weeks or months ( in some cases indefinitely).

for the induction of ovulation, 5000 to 10,000iu IM is administered after the last dose of menotropins or from 5-9 days.............................blah bl;ah blah

my source mosby's pharmacology 21st edition

[peump]

also i see that you have it set at EOD.

administered intramuscularly, this drug has a half-life between 11 and 23 hours. it is excreted by the kidneys within 24 hours.


therefor i would suggest ED administration.

[testosterona]

thansk for the help peump. what if it is administered sub q? i thought the active life was 2-3days...? good input though, maybe 500iu's ed would be best...

[peump]

thansk for the help peump. what if it is administered sub q? i thought the active life was 2-3days...? good input though, maybe 500iu's ed would be best...

i don't have any real info on a sub-q regimen. but me personally, i used it sub-q at 500iu's per day for 14 days in the middle of my last cycle then again the same way at the end, just before pct.
worked fine


i've also just recently used 500iu per day sub-q for 14 days for my current cycle. (mid-cycle)
i had planned on using it differently towards the end like 4 administations of
5000/3000/1000/1000 over a two week period.

this was a suggestion on another board, BUT
i couldn't find any research, other personal experiences to back up that protocol.

so i'm back to the old 500 ed. until something better comes along

by no means should i be consided an authority on HCG protocol

[testosterona]

here we go, this is by anthony R:
In one study I looked at, a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated test levels for 6 days. That's why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days. We'd have more stable blood levels, though if we shot it more frequently. Remember, it's non-estrified and a water-based injectable, after all. In that same study I just spoke of, 1500IU of HCG shot test levels up between 250 and 300%.

[peump]

here we go, this is by anthony R:
In one study I looked at, a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated test levels for 6 days. That's why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days. We'd have more stable blood levels, though if we shot it more frequently. Remember, it's non-estrified and a water-based injectable, after all. In that same study I just spoke of, 1500IU of HCG shot test levels up between 250 and 300%.

it says "a single injection of 6000IU of HCG elevated test levels for 6 days."

but it fails to mention if anything else is happening in the body, or not happening for that matter.

iv'e always considered hooker a reliable source, i also believe that hooker does fabulous research.
it's just that there is not enough feedback from people who have been
using so much hcg for ME to start using this protocol

[peump]

testosterona, if you do try this i think that it would be benificial if you shared your experience.

keep us updated

[testosterona]

i will, peace bro