Looking for advice

[Cartman]

I was 6'4 215lbs. I took 50mg of winstrol orally every other day for 6 weeks. I was very pleased with the results. I dropped to 195lbs and muscles were rock hard, gained a little size too or maybe they just looked bigger because they had definition now. I want to do another cycle this summer and would like similar results but more size this time around. Side effects are a major concern of mine. I am willing to sacrifice results for safety. I'm not looking to become mr. universe just put on some decent size.
For my cycle this summer I want to stack winny with something for an 8-10 week cycle throwing the winny in for the last 5-6 weeks. I originally was thinking of deca and winny. From what I had read both were considered to be relatively safe steroids and many sites actually had this as a recomended stack. Researching steroids has been like reading the bible, One contradiction after another. Read one thing somewhere and the next place you ask says the complete opposite. After researching on this site though I have changed my mind and don't want to risk the deca dick.
I initially wanted to stay away from test because I had always considered this to be the steroid most prone to side effects. However now I am starting to think that a winny/test stack would actually be the safest and yield the most gains.
So keeping in mind I want minimum side effects and am willing to sacrifice gains for safety what type of test and what doesage would you recomend? Also one injection per week of the test would be a plus rather than every 2 like the winny.

[HORSE~]

Before we answer your qeustion how old are you.

[THE_DOME]

"I'm not looking to become mr. universe"

i love it when people say this

[HORSE~]

"I'm not looking to become mr. universe"

i love it when people say this

No dout one less person to compete against.

[Cartman]

Before we answer your qeustion how old are you.

19. Considered to be too young by most I know.

[SMAN12b]

I was 6'4 215lbs. I took 50mg of winstrol orally every other day for 6 weeks. I was very pleased with the results. I dropped to 195lbs and muscles were rock hard, gained a little size too or maybe they just looked bigger because they had definition now. I want to do another cycle this summer and would like similar results but more size this time around. Side effects are a major concern of mine. I am willing to sacrifice results for safety. I'm not looking to become mr. universe just put on some decent size.
For my cycle this summer I want to stack winny with something for an 8-10 week cycle throwing the winny in for the last 5-6 weeks. I originally was thinking of deca and winny. From what I had read both were considered to be relatively safe steroids and many sites actually had this as a recomended stack. Researching steroids has been like reading the bible, One contradiction after another. Read one thing somewhere and the next place you ask says the complete opposite. After researching on this site though I have changed my mind and don't want to risk the deca dick.
I initially wanted to stay away from test because I had always considered this to be the steroid most prone to side effects. However now I am starting to think that a winny/test stack would actually be the safest and yield the most gains.
So keeping in mind I want minimum side effects and am willing to sacrifice gains for safety what type of test and what doesage would you recomend? Also one injection per week of the test would be a plus rather than every 2 like the winny.

This is your first post and you just signed on here today!! have you done our homework on THIS board yet? Did you read the rules and NEWBIE threads?

We are MORE than willing to help you , BUT you have to help us. We need ALL yoru STATS including age. This helps determine proper dosage for your body. Not tryin to judge you by your age, just GUIDE you to the safest way possible to do what you are gonna do anyway.

READ THIS NOW THEN POST ALL STATS!! : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=212234

OH and to AR enjoy your stay

[HORSE~]

19. Considered to be too young by most I know.

Bro what is your hurry dont take a chance and F yourself finsh growing naturaly first then when you hit that plateu come back and let us help you plan A proper cycle?

[Cartman]

This is your first post and you just signed on here today!! have you done our homework on THIS board yet? Did you read the rules and NEWBIE threads?

We are MORE than willing to help you , BUT you have to help us. We need ALL yoru STATS including age. This helps determine proper dosage for your body. Not tryin to judge you by your age, just GUIDE you to the safest way possible to do what you are gonna do anyway.

READ THIS NOW THEN POST ALL STATS!! : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=212234

OH and to AR enjoy your stay

I have been lurking on here and researching as a guest. Never made an account until today because I had no use for one until I wanted to make a post.
I'm 19 6'4 195

[Cartman]

Bro what is your hurry dont take a chance and F yourself finsh growing naturaly first then when you hit that plateu come back and let us help you plan A proper cycle?

I have already taken the winny once and am pretty set on taking it again this summer along with something else. I don't want to f up my body that's why I am here asking you guys questions. What advantages would there be to waiting? I've heard it can stunt your growth but at 6'4 and a pretty solid build I'm not worried about that. Also I have already taken winny once so at this point haven't I already jumped in?

[SMAN12b]

I have been lurking on here and researching as a guest. Never made an account until today because I had no use for one until I wanted to make a post.
I'm 19 6'4 195

GOOD, now did you read that thread in your lurking and researching? did you research the effect of AAS on growth plates in people under 21?

More stats also please. I only type this a million times a day so I wish you guys would read first then post.

STATS:
AGE-
HEIGHT=
WEIGHT-
BF%-
YRS OF LIFTING NATURALLY-
PRIOR CYCLE USE AND RESULTS/PROBLEMS-
DIET ROUTINE-
GOALS IN DOING AAS-

19 is way too young to be doing AAS, but that is YOUR choice AFTER you read the reasons why.

[SMAN12b]

I have already taken the winny once and am pretty set on taking it again this summer along with something else. I don't want to f up my body that's why I am here asking you guys questions. What advantages would there be to waiting? I've heard it can stunt your growth but at 6'4 and a pretty solid build I'm not worried about that. Also I have already taken winny once so at this point haven't I already jumped in?

THIS POST proves your lack of maturity in making this decision!! Not tryin to flame ya, just point out that you are not mentally ready to do AAS. If your attitude is since you did Winny once, then you are already "IN", BUT in the same post you state that you don't want to Fvck up your body, that in itself is very CONTRADICTORY !!!!!

I understand you are gonna do what you are gonna do no matter what we try to tell you !! But at least understand WHY we are saying to wait and maybe consider that IT IS SO YOU DON'T F^^K UP YOUR BODY FOREVER!!!

seriously what do you think any of us care wether you do or dont' do? its not like we get commision for everyone we stop using AAS.
WE are here to help you make the smartest CHOICE so you are safe and don't look back in 5 years and wonder why your D!CK doesn't work anymore like if you just us DECA and Winny........

[SMAN12b]

The advantage in waiting is that your body at your age produces MORE THAN ENOUGH Testosterone to get the gains you want with out risking screwing up your body for the rest of your life. It is always better to take your body to its peak growth potential BEFORE starting AAS.
AAS is NOT a magic pill. It does NOT make muscles for you!! IF your diet is NOT perfect for your goals, and training is NOT just right, then you are wasting your money and causing major setbacks later on in life when and if you learn how to do AAS correctly.

JUST tryin to help ya bro, but do what you want

[HORSE~]

[QUOTE=SMAN12B]THIS POST proves your lack of maturity in making this decision!! Not tryin to flame ya, just point out that you are not mentally ready to do AAS. If your attitude is since you did Winny once, then you are already "IN", BUT in the same post you state that you don't want to Fvck up your body, that in itself is very CONTRADICTORY !!!!!

I understand you are gonna do what you are gonna do no matter what we try to tell you !! But at least understand WHY we are saying to wait and maybe consider that IT IS SO YOU DON'T F^^K UP YOUR BODY FOREVER!!!

seriously what do you think any of us care wether you do or dont' do? its not like we get commision for everyone we stop using AAS.
WE are here to help you make the smartest CHOICE so you are safe and don't look back in 5 years and wonder why your D!CK doesn't work anymore like if you just us DECA and Winny........[/QUOTE

Right on the money bro good post!!!!!!

[kesh227]

at 19 you should already have natural test levels that will be high when coupled with quality training diet and rest which will only serve to naturally increase your GH levels. Furthermore, you can achieve what you want naturally w/o winny. Include cardio diet and maybe a thermogenic in there. Finally, I can guarantee you that one or even five cycles of juice will not make you "Mr. Universe".

[Cartman]

THIS POST proves your lack of maturity in making this decision!! Not tryin to flame ya, just point out that you are not mentally ready to do AAS. If your attitude is since you did Winny once, then you are already "IN", BUT in the same post you state that you don't want to Fvck up your body, that in itself is very CONTRADICTORY !!!!!

I understand you are gonna do what you are gonna do no matter what we try to tell you !! But at least understand WHY we are saying to wait and maybe consider that IT IS SO YOU DON'T F^^K UP YOUR BODY FOREVER!!!

seriously what do you think any of us care wether you do or dont' do? its not like we get commision for everyone we stop using AAS.
WE are here to help you make the smartest CHOICE so you are safe and don't look back in 5 years and wonder why your D!CK doesn't work anymore like if you just us DECA and Winny........

Do you feel that taking the winny and a low to mild dose of test would be extremely dangerous? I'm not worried about growing anymore so what possible side effects do I have to worry about now as opposed to when I'm 25? Now I knew before I posted this this that the age would be a point of contention that's why I left it out initially. Age aside here are my stats what would you suggest along with the winny?

19
6'4
195
13%
Off and on since I was 15, consistently for the last year and a half
50mg eod winstrol for 6 weeks. No negative side effects, gained a decent amount of lean hard muscle, major fat loss
Looking bascially for the same results as I had with the winstrol only more size

[SMAN12b]

Do you feel that taking the winny and a low to mild dose of test would be extremely dangerous? I'm not worried about growing anymore so what possible side effects do I have to worry about now as opposed to when I'm 25? Now I knew before I posted this this that the age would be a point of contention that's why I left it out initially. Age aside here are my stats what would you suggest along with the winny?

19
6'4
195
13%
Off and on since I was 15, consistently for the last year and a half
50mg eod winstrol for 6 weeks. No negative side effects, gained a decent amount of lean hard muscle, major fat loss
Looking bascially for the same results as I had with the winstrol only more size

Again Cartman, it just sounds like you are looking for the easy way out as most young people are. You can do what you are looking to do WITHOUT using anything but good old supplements and HARD WORK !! I think that is where you want to skimp, but seriously bro, if the diet and training aren't in line, this isn't going to help.
You say you aren't worried about size, but are you worried about your back, and joints and what they will be like if you screw them up now?
Did you even bother to read the thread I linked you too so you could educate yourself?

ok, here you go:
Weeks 1-12 Test at 400mg/week
Weeks 9-12 Winny at 50mgs/day
YOU WILL NEED PCT for this to have on hand BEFORE you start anything and if you don't know what that is, then that is another reason to wait until you research more. I will not do your homework for you GOOD LUCK

[Anabolios]

Do you feel that taking the winny and a low to mild dose of test would be extremely dangerous? I'm not worried about growing anymore so what possible side effects do I have to worry about now as opposed to when I'm 25? Now I knew before I posted this this that the age would be a point of contention that's why I left it out initially. Age aside here are my stats what would you suggest along with the winny?

19
6'4
195
13%
Off and on since I was 15, consistently for the last year and a half
50mg eod winstrol for 6 weeks. No negative side effects, gained a decent amount of lean hard muscle, major fat loss
Looking bascially for the same results as I had with the winstrol only more size

i am about your weight but six inches shorter with less bodyfat...you do not have enough muscle mass to consider using AAS...i really believe that some people are exceptions to using AAS below 21 if their muscles are mature i dunno dont use is what im saying i made that mistake last year you shouldnt make it...well you already have so ehh whatever im tired

[Cartman]

Again Cartman, it just sounds like you are looking for the easy way out as most young people are. You can do what you are looking to do WITHOUT using anything but good old supplements and HARD WORK !! I think that is where you want to skimp, but seriously bro, if the diet and training aren't in line, this isn't going to help.
You say you aren't worried about size, but are you worried about your back, and joints and what they will be like if you screw them up now?
Did you even bother to read the thread I linked you too so you could educate yourself?

ok, here you go:
Weeks 1-12 Test at 400mg/week
Weeks 9-12 Winny at 50mgs/day
YOU WILL NEED PCT for this to have on hand BEFORE you start anything and if you don't know what that is, then that is another reason to wait until you research more. I will not do your homework for you GOOD LUCK

I understand what you are saying and for what's its worth I truly do apreciate your concern. I will have the clomid and nolvadex on hand before I start. Now would an 8 or 10 week cycle be safer rather than a 12? Is 400mg of test the least you would recomend to see results? I'm not looking for massive size but definately want to see something. Could I get away with less and would it be safer?

[SMAN12b]

I understand what you are saying and for what's its worth I truly do apreciate your concern. I will have the clomid and nolvadex on hand before I start. Now would an 8 or 10 week cycle be safer rather than a 12? Is 400mg of test the least you would recomend to see results? I'm not looking for massive size but definately want to see something. Could I get away with less and would it be safer?

Yes 12 weeks, that is why I suggested it. Depending on the test you choose from doing all your lurking and research you will find that certain ones don't really "kick in" until week 6-8 so 12 is the number. You will have to decide on the dose. You can try Sust at 250/week and see what that does for you, or try Test enth at 300/week

But I would prefer you read their profiles and decide amoung the ones after you READ and research their sides depending on dosages

[SMAN12b]

then come back on here and post your upcomming cycle complete with PCT for critique BEFORE you do it

[C_Bino]

i am about your weight but six inches shorter with less bodyfat...you do not have enough muscle mass to consider using AAS...i really believe that some people are exceptions to using AAS below 21 if their muscles are mature i dunno dont use is what im saying i made that mistake last year you shouldnt make it...well you already have so ehh whatever im tired

This is a good point. At 6'5" and 195 with 13%bf you appear to have very little muscle (Im not flaming you but being blatantly truthful with you). When I started my first cycle I had about 15 lbs on you, around the same bf% of lower (around 11 or 12) and I'm 7 inches below you my friend. I am not giving my stats to say Im better than y ou or gloat at all, Im hoping you will see what hard work, dedication and diet etc can get you. There are many ways to break plateaus and barriers before resorting to AAS, ESPECIALLY at your age.