Insane Acne.......... neeeed helpppppp

**q12345** · 05-07-2006, 06:30 PM

Insane Acne..........

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first cycle test enth 10weeks little acne on shoulders after during cycle waited 5 months second cycle currently on a 15wk test cyp cycle have about 10 weeks left and am experiencing insane acne all over chest and shoulders and back...looks like it is scaring not sure what to do did go to doctor and got some oitment to put on it but its still coming what should i do......why is this so bad my boys did same cycles and have like 1 bumb on there arm i have serously acne plz help with what to do

**Kale** · 05-07-2006, 06:31 PM

Go to the Dr and talk to hin about Accutaine

**moose932** · 05-07-2006, 06:44 PM

This sounds too simple to work but I had acne so bad the first couple of cycles that it scared. This time I have simply used Stridex pads before I go to bed every night on my back, chest and arms and have no problems with acne at all. My wife is amazed at the difference.

**stuball** · 05-07-2006, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by moose932

This sounds too simple to work but I had acne so bad the first couple of cycles that it scared. This time I have simply used Stridex pads before I go to bed every night on my back, chest and arms and have no problems with acne at all. My wife is amazed at the difference.

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt there somekind of shampoo people used on there backs, ? ? And also dawn dish detergant, sounds crazy but i recall reading that, i know sounds pretty f#ckin stupid...

**Kale** · 05-07-2006, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by stuball

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt there somekind of shampoo people used on there backs, ? ? And also dawn dish detergant, sounds crazy but i recall reading that, i know sounds pretty f#ckin stupid...

Nizoral is the shampoo

**Samson7** · 05-07-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by stuball

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt there somekind of shampoo people used on there backs, ? ? And also dawn dish detergant, sounds crazy but i recall reading that, i know sounds pretty f#ckin stupid...

actually i used the dawn dish detergent and it worked pretty well...It does sound rediculous...I also took showers after anything that made me sweat and rubbed retin-a micro before i went to bed. I got my worst acne in pct.

**gabriel595** · 05-07-2006, 07:57 PM

i use isopropyl alcohol i think its hard on the skin but it dries it and really works.

**stuball** · 05-07-2006, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Samson7

actually i used the dawn dish detergent and it worked pretty well...It does sound rediculous...I also took showers after anything that made me sweat and rubbed retin-a micro before i went to bed. I got my worst acne in pct.

Wow i got 373 post, and finally gave 1/2 decent advise, who would have though ? ?

**Kale** · 05-07-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by stuball

Wow i got 373 post, and finally gave 1/2 decent advise, who would have though ? ?

Well congratulations bro

**IronAdam** · 05-07-2006, 09:28 PM

If its as bad as you make it sound you definately need some antibiotics or accutane. Until them you can try B5 treatment. 2 grams of pantothenic acid 5 times a day should help. The first time I got post cycle acne...the B5 cleared it up in a month.

Good Luck

**Reprisal 6** · 05-07-2006, 09:35 PM

Dish soap worked miracles for me. Coupled with tanning it will clear up anything I have on my chest, arms, or back within a week or two.
What I do is apply a nice portion of dish soap to the affected area once a day and leave it on. It can burn your skin though and give it a rough texture if you do it too much. By the time that happens it should have killed most of the bacteria and you should see improvements.

**love 2 lift** · 05-07-2006, 11:13 PM

You could try Dish detergent or anti-persperant.

**Candyman22** · 05-07-2006, 11:34 PM

I know how you feel bro, I am in the same boat. You know I work so hard to get the body that I want for the summer and I cant even take my shirt off at the pool.

**bolvangar** · 05-08-2006, 01:29 AM

neutrogena's acne body wash with 1 of those loofa things has worked great for me, might want to give it a try.

**monstermasss** · 05-08-2006, 01:42 AM

doxycycline bro its the only way for sure !!!!

**goldenFloyd** · 05-08-2006, 02:00 AM

What causes acne
acne is a function of 3 things working in tandem:
1) p. acnes bacteria
2) internal sebum (grease) production
3) inflammation

Basically, hormone fluctuations increase the amount of sebum production (grease production) which interacts with the p. acnes bacteria that is in ones pores. The pores become clogged, the bacteria fester, and induces an inflammation response by the body... on the surface, this is manifested by nasty red bumps, etc. etc. This will be most pronounced during times of hormone fluctuation - i.e. at the beginning of a cycle and when coming off of a cycle. Also, the type of substances that cause acne differ for everyone - GH and high anabolic / low androgenic substances like anavar are usually less of a culprit than test and tren , for example. Some sensitive individuals also cite the differences in esters as having different effects in their acne reactions (i.e. the less gradual the increase in blood serum hormone levels, the more severe the reaction). This sounds intuitive, but I am not sure if it is applicable in your situation of enth vs. cyp.

Treating Acne
Acne is treated by specifically addressing the 3 above factors.

1) Anti-bacterial clensers like clindimyacin, various alcohol based products, etc. are good for addressing the p. acnes bacteria externally. Anti-biotics like dioxicycline, minocycline, tetracycline, etc. attack internally.

2) Retinoids like accutane, to my knowledge, primarily work by giving you a huge dose of concentrated vitamin A - basically "rebuilding" your skin and "turning off" your grease production, dramatically reducing incidence of clogged pores. I am not sure if it works on inflammation, but I am fairly certain it is not an anti-biotic.

3) OTC anti-inflammation meds are more reactionary - not really preventing breakouts, but mitigating your body's heightened response to the clogged pore. This isn't really a solution.

The problem with Accutane (and I've been on it twice) is that it dries you out, ****s with your liver, and can have strange side effects on nighttime vision (some people say mental effect to, though I discount it based on the legislative history). The problem with anti-biotics is that they are not highly directed and work on your entire system to reduce good and bad bacteria. The problem with topical solutions is that they do not accomodate for internal causes of acne.

Dishsoap, incidentally, works on 2 of the above factors - it is typically anti-bacterial and it "gets the grease out" - many have been formulated to have a specific anti-grease effect in addition to being anti-bacterial . It should actually work well...

That being said, i would go with the dish detergent after a shower at night and make sure you are washing with a topical clenser like Neutragena on affected areas after physical exertion. 10% Benzoyl Peroxide is OTC and would also work in place of dish detergent. Tanning and B5 do help as well. Everyone varies with their acne treatment - find one that works for you and be consistent.

If you are experiencing serious cystic acne with scarring, I would consider accutane, but it is a serious drag to be on that for 6 months at a clip with monthly blood tests. After going on accutane once however, future acne severity does decrease for many significantly (on subsequent cycles) and can usually be managed by revisiting the previously failed treatments... Best of luck!

**Kale** · 05-08-2006, 02:07 AM

Great post GF !!!!

**goldenFloyd** · 05-08-2006, 02:19 AM

thanks kale... hope it helps some bros out - i know my skin is squeaky clean

**arnold_of_malta** · 05-08-2006, 05:48 AM

yes accutane is hursh mate but it works and it works great!!!!!1 i have used it at 40mgs for 8 mths and till know i cycle wihtout any problems of acne!!!!!!

**q12345** · 05-09-2006, 11:10 AM

the doctor just gave me this stuff cephalexin 500mg pills twice a day and clindamycin phosphate for external use....is this stuff any good anyone kno or strong as that other stuff accutane and should i still try dish soap....the pills say its for bacterial infections is this what i need with my symptoms and what im using

**playboii** · 05-09-2006, 04:45 PM

With the disk soap what exactly do you do? you put it on the infected areas for how long? then just rinse it off?

**money31** · 05-09-2006, 08:08 PM

i've seen several people say they used deodorant and it worked. anyone tried this on your shoulders and arms

**test=magic** · 05-09-2006, 08:39 PM

go to a dermatologist he'll wanna get blood work done and when he gets the results and he asks u if ur on any sport enhancing supplements tell him if u trrust him and he'll give u somehting for the acne.....my boys back and arms are disgusting from a previous cycle of enanthate at 500 mg a week for 12 weeks hes using rubbign alcohol on the affected areas and its starting to clear up

**taiboxa** · 05-09-2006, 08:43 PM

2 words for ya
dawn dishwashing soap and a brillow pad

well a really HARD BRISTLE BRUSH .. i promise this will WORK WOUNDERS

SVTMuscle* · 05-09-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by stuball

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt there somekind of shampoo people used on there backs, ? ? And also dawn dish detergant, sounds crazy but i recall reading that, i know sounds pretty f#ckin stupid...

dish detergent is known to work, but it dries the skin to a point that is un healthy for the skin

**Tbone1975** · 05-09-2006, 09:14 PM

I would take showers after any heavy sweating for one thing like somebody up there mentioned, scrubbing the affected areas with soap thoroughly. This killed my acne problem when I was younger. Also, I've used dishwashing soap with success without any drying problems. I would start with these, then move on to other treatments. I think you'll beat the problem easily. I had acne so bad when I was a kid I thought it would NEVER go away. My parents started out by taking me to these fn' idiot doctors who prescribed all sorts of dumb treatments, ie retin A, tetracyclene or however the hell you spell it, liquid nitrogen?, and none of that crap worked. Once I learned to take showers whenever needed, especially scrubbing with soap, only then did the problem disappear completely. I thought stridex and oxy worked well also, but I didn't even need 'em at that point. I think that'll put an end to your problem unless it's more severe than mine was. Mine was real bad though. Best of luck. Start simple IMO.

**LatinoPR** · 05-09-2006, 10:00 PM

I work in dermatology,forget accutane for now.Take doxicycline 100 mg/dayalso theres a product that you apply over the skin,use it after shower its name is EVOCLIN,(clindamycin phosphate)it is in foam ,take a shower in the morning and nigt after work out with a good sport soap.Dont over clean youre skin.DONT TANNING,thats a big mistake,tanning make the acne scars more visible and for ever....good luck...!

**DIESELPWR** · 05-09-2006, 10:31 PM

mine is clearing up rather nicely... i take between 8-10 gs a day of vitamin b5 and when i shower i used clean and clear foaming facial wash on my face arms and shoulders... try my best to reach my back lol... im currently just starting with tren and not too sure if i should be taking the b5 with it but im giving it a shot.. anyone know the answer to that one for sure?

**daft1425** · 05-10-2006, 05:28 PM

I would say acutane wud have to be your last resort, try differins <---great product worked well for me, if u need something stronger ask ur doc about clindoxyl and solugel <----these are stronger but very effective
My doc recommended this combo for me, one fights the acne, and the other fights the bacteria, worked great for me

**oswaldosalcedo** · 05-10-2006, 07:37 PM

acutane 40-60 mg ed, 2 month.

i have used it.

**Jon0489** · 05-07-2007, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by stuball

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt there somekind of shampoo people used on there backs, ? ? And also dawn dish detergant, sounds crazy but i recall reading that, i know sounds pretty f#ckin stupid...

The shampoo youre thinking of is sometin like a rogaine shampoo that blocks dht, which is the cause of most acne, causing the follicle to produce oil .... and then acne grows in the closgged pores, so you are 100% the shampoos are said to possiably hep but only if youre allready prescribed them as there are cheaper solutions then that like isotretinoin

**Jon0489** · 05-07-2007, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by goldenFloyd

What causes acne
acne is a function of 3 things working in tandem:
1) p. acnes bacteria
2) internal sebum (grease) production
3) inflammation

Basically, hormone fluctuations increase the amount of sebum production (grease production) which interacts with the p. acnes bacteria that is in ones pores. The pores become clogged, the bacteria fester, and induces an inflammation response by the body... on the surface, this is manifested by nasty red bumps, etc. etc. This will be most pronounced during times of hormone fluctuation - i.e. at the beginning of a cycle and when coming off of a cycle. Also, the type of substances that cause acne differ for everyone - GH and high anabolic / low androgenic substances like anavar are usually less of a culprit than test and tren , for example. Some sensitive individuals also cite the differences in esters as having different effects in their acne reactions (i.e. the less gradual the increase in blood serum hormone levels, the more severe the reaction). This sounds intuitive, but I am not sure if it is applicable in your situation of enth vs. cyp.

Treating Acne
Acne is treated by specifically addressing the 3 above factors.

2) Retinoids like accutane, to my knowledge, primarily work by giving you a huge dose of concentrated vitamin A - basically "rebuilding" your skin and "turning off" your grease production, dramatically reducing incidence of clogged pores. I am not sure if it works on inflammation, but I am fairly certain it is not an anti-biotic.

The problem with Accutane (and I've been on it twice) is that it dries you out, ****s with your liver, and can have strange side effects on nighttime vision (some people say mental effect to, though I discount it based on the legislative history). The problem with anti-biotics is that they are not highly directed and work on your entire system to reduce good and bad bacteria. The problem with topical solutions is that they do not accomodate for internal causes of acne.

Dishsoap, incidentally, works on 2 of the above factors - it is typically anti-bacterial and it "gets the grease out" - many have been formulated to have a specific anti-grease effect in addition to being anti-bacterial . It should actually work well...

Not trying to shoot you down but just clarifying your statement, Huge amounts of vitamin A used to be one way to help the body with acne but it has horrible side effects, but accutaine is not vitamin A it is a derivative of vitamin A, so huge amounts of vitamin a and accutine are really much different.
just to two cents

**Erwin** · 05-07-2007, 06:13 AM

and you're bumping a year old thread because...?

**Swifto** · 05-07-2007, 06:35 AM

Nizoral shampoo is a good choice. Apply EOD when showering. Apply and leave for 3-4 mins, then rinse of effected area. I found using it ED dried my skin so much it started flaking (yuk!).

Accuante is good, though can be a very toxic compound to some. I used it as 20mg/ED for around 6-8 weeks and it cleared up my acne. You can also used the Isotretinoin gel Retin-A. But get the right %. Some are VERY strong and almost peel your skin. The 0.25% was very strong for me. I think it goes up to 0.75%, but I dont see how anyone could use that. From 0.10-0.75%.

Differin cream for anti-inflamitory. Excellent for red maks/blotches.

I found anti-boitics to be useless. Though never used Doxycycline. Tetracycline and Lymecycline never worked for me.

**Pooks** · 05-07-2007, 08:18 AM

yup NIZORAL can flake your skin.
good stuff

**turk27** · 05-09-2007, 01:24 AM

Forget about Accutane. Most Dr's will make sure you try everything else first because it is a very intense medicine. I was on it for 5 months, which cured my acne for a good 2 years but I vowed never to take it again due to its side effects.
You need to do Levulan/Blu-light. It's just as effective as accutance with far less side effects. The cost of the procedure is about $400. It consists of a Dr. rubbing a clear solution on your face and leaving it on for an hour. You then get exposed to Blu-light for 10 minutes. It burns like a mother and your face will peel for about a week but your acne will be 90% gone and your face will stay that way for a good 6 to 18 months.

**AandF6969** · 05-09-2007, 03:09 AM

I hated accutane... joints dried out too bad and I could hardly even lift.

3 things helped me a LOT -
1) Use dishwashing soap as a scrub in the shower
2) Apply 90% isopropyl alcohol 2x per day and let it dry before putting a shirt on
3) Tanning 1-2x/week

These things all helped to dry and sterilize my skin, which pretty much cleared it up.