Best way to take clenbut

**Dumbellssss** · 05-08-2006, 05:05 AM

Hey guys....

I made my research, and there seems to be 2 opinions that people agree on about taking the clen ....

The 2 week on/2 week off.
And
The 6 to 8 week on directly, with the use of benadryl every 3rd week

Which ones you would go for ??? I am during a cycle and i'm in the first week... so i can still choose what to do.

I just found out this forum 2 days ago... so i wanted to ask whats the opinion around here! I was gonna go for the 2weekon/2weekoff style but now im not so sure.
Also.... what do you think about 2 week on clen, 2 week on ECA (using benadryl on the 3rd week) then repeating this again ?

Please help me out.

Thanks a lot.

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 05:15 AM

The 6 to 8 week on directly, with the use of benadryl every 3rd week

You can Use Ketotifen same way, it is better.

**farrebarre** · 05-08-2006, 05:30 AM

imo 2 weeks on 2 weeks off works the best.
dont do eca during the off weeks coz eca and clen both use the same receptors so u just wear them out.

**marcus300** · 05-08-2006, 06:14 AM

Suppose its all down to personal preference and how you react to the drug, for me i prefer to use clen 2wks on 2 off, also recently ive even been fluctuating the dose while on for the 2 weeks, 1 day high 1 day low and so on, this as given me a real kick-start to what am looking for from clen,

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 07:47 AM

8weeks
week1 40
week2 60
week3 80 << ketotifen
week4 80
week5 80
week6 60 << ketotifen
week7 40
week8 20

Good or not?

**1buffsob** · 05-08-2006, 07:50 AM

Looks too long, and why the tapering coming off?

1buffsob

**MAXIMA5** · 05-08-2006, 07:50 AM

Not sure about the taper at the end.

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 08:10 AM

PLZ MrMention can u tell us How do you do ur 8weeks of Clenbuterol !!!!!!!?

BTW bros i m interested to know what u would propose to do for a cycle of 8 weeks of clenbuterol non stop

**MAXIMA5** · 05-08-2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Xprime

PLZ MrMention can u tell us How do you do ur 8weeks of Clenbuterol !!!!!!!?

BTW bros i m interested to know what u would propose to do for a cycle of 8 weeks of clenbuterol non stop

It's simple.

I do it this way.

Build up to a tolerable dose until you feel sides, then back it down slightly and maintain.

Do this dosethe whole 8 weeks.

Run 50 mg of Benadryl at night on weeks 3 and 6.

The end.

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 12:24 PM

i will use ketotifen

but it is better to plan the cycle of clen .

If i don t do that i won t be able to know how much pills of clenbuterol i will use.

I am waiting for other comments.

thank you.

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-08-2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

It's simple.

I do it this way.

Build up to a tolerable dose until you feel sides, then back it down slightly and maintain.

Do this dosethe whole 8 weeks.

Run 50 mg of Benadryl at night on weeks 3 and 6.

The end.

Have you actually ran it this way? No offence, just trying to find out if you had actual experience... Logically and on paper this should be the case. I found it is not. 2 on 2 off for me.

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 12:42 PM

Man u must understand that i bought ketotifen to use clenbuterol non stop so if you tell me to run 2week on 2 week off that is use for nothing i won t listen.

MrMention should come help, i ve emailed him. He is used to do 8weeks non stop with ketotifen but i don t know how.

BTW it is my first time with clen and i won t go over 0.08mg.

**Mesomorphyl** · 05-08-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Xprime

Man u must understand that i bought ketotifen to use clenbuterol non stop so if you tell me to run 2week on 2 week off that is use for nothing i won t listen.

MrMention should come help, i ve emailed him. He is used to do 8weeks non stop with ketotifen but i don t know how.

BTW it is my first time with clen and i won t go over 0.08mg.

Dont listen... your body, if you end up with challenges you can blame people who are using studies not actual experience. 80mcg you are limiting yourself also... work up till the sides start and watch bbtemp to see... typically people run 120-160mcg for it to work... but hey you aint listening anyway.

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 02:40 PM

Mesomorphyl

Of course i limit my self or i would do cycle of roids for years non stop.
I will work up till the sides start. but sincerely above 0.10mg it might be too strong for me.

**1buffsob** · 05-08-2006, 02:42 PM

You won't know till you try, will you? There is no way of knowing how sensitive you'll be, everyone is different.

1buffsob

**ascendant** · 05-08-2006, 02:53 PM

the diphenhydramine hcl, which everyone feels a need to call benadryl for some odd reason, seems to only work for some people. not sure why, but the reviews about if it works are very mixed.

ketotifen definitely seems to work, but i just don't think that more than 2 weeks of the stuff without a break is a good idea. clen puts quite a bit of stress on the heart, and i just don't think it's good to do that for more than a couple weeks without taking a couple off.

some people may stay on it for weeks, even months. however, i don't think it's worth the risks. if you want that much of a kick, just do clen with t3 with the 2 week on, 2 week off method. IMO, it's safer than just taking clen alone non-stop for those prolonged periods of time.

**RockyX** · 05-08-2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by ascendant

the diphenhydramine hcl, which everyone feels a need to call benadryl for some odd reason, seems to only work for some people. not sure why, but the reviews about if it works are very mixed.

ketotifen definitely seems to work, but i just don't think that more than 2 weeks of the stuff without a break is a good idea. clen puts quite a bit of stress on the heart, and i just don't think it's good to do that for more than a couple weeks without taking a couple off.

some people may stay on it for weeks, even months. however, i don't think it's worth the risks. if you want that much of a kick, just do clen with t3 with the 2 week on, 2 week off method. IMO, it's safer than just taking clen alone non-stop for those prolonged periods of time.

When you say two on two off, are you talking 2 off w/ or w/o ECA. Some people say its better to use nothing for 2 weeks since the ECA uses the same receptors.

**farrebarre** · 05-08-2006, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by RockyX

When you say two on two off, are you talking 2 off w/ or w/o ECA. Some people say its better to use nothing for 2 weeks since the ECA uses the same receptors.

2 weeks off = you use nothing, not eca not clen .

they use same receptors so u just wear them out by using both, that would be just like not taking 2 weeks off and do 4 weeks clen, not a good idea

**Xprime** · 05-08-2006, 05:09 PM

Ascendant, i take seriously in consideration what you are saying for our hearts

master of our life. But mine is a ****ing bastard and it will do a 8weeks non stop.

**Dumbellssss** · 05-08-2006, 05:33 PM

Hey people... thanks for the replys.... keeep it comming ...

There are two things i wante to know...

1 - During this 2 week off period, what happens ?? does the clen that you took for 2 weeks still acting ??

2 - What about 2 weeks on clen then 2 weeks on ECA THEN TAKING BENADRYL AT THE FOURTH WEEK TO CLEAN THE RECEPTORS THEN START THE SAME AGAIN IN THE 5 WEEK ?????

What i mean is
1 week = clen
2 week = clen
3 week = ECA
4 week = ECA + BENADRYL

Then repeat this

Anybody though about that ??
The reason i thought for this is just not to overload yourself with the negative side effects of the clen... because of course thinking about the positive side effects would be better to keep on with just the clen since its stronger than the eca and both will bind to the same receptors...
(then again im not sure how much more-or less- the ECA binds to the receptors then clen)

What you think ?

Keep it comming !!
Thanks

**ascendant** · 05-08-2006, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dumbellssss

1 - During this 2 week off period, what happens ?? does the clen that you took for 2 weeks still acting ??

2 - What about 2 weeks on clen then 2 weeks on ECA THEN TAKING BENADRYL AT THE FOURTH WEEK TO CLEAN THE RECEPTORS THEN START THE SAME AGAIN IN THE 5 WEEK ?????

Anybody though about that ??
The reason i thought for this is just not to overload yourself with the negative side effects of the clen... because of course thinking about the positive side effects would be better to keep on with just the clen since its stronger than the eca and both will bind to the same receptors...
(then again im not sure how much more-or less- the ECA binds to the receptors then clen)

k, to answer your first question, clen has a half life of about 36 hours, so with how much you will have built up over those 2 weeks, it will probably take the better half of the first week to leave your system completely. of course you won't get results on those 2 weeks that are as significant as while you're on the clen, but with your diet and cardio in check, you can still keep losing.

as for question number 2, what gave you the idea that eca doesn't give you negative sides like clen does? not only does eca negatively affect your heart as does the clen, but some would debatably say that eca puts even more of a strain on your heart. there is no need to switch back and forth between the two, and it will not put any less strain on your system by doing so. if anything, it will make the strain worse as the body has to adapt to the new chems.

as far as receptor downgrade, they will reduce the receptor sensitivity with either one pretty much the same, so there is no benefit whatsoever of switching them up.

if you want the fastest results possible in the least amount of time, then by all means get ketotifen and take this stuff as long as you'd like. however, if you'd like to have the opportunity to live a long life, i'd advise against it. just like some people do gear year round, you can take clen for extended periods, but the health risks greatly increase. it's your life, so it's your choice. what it comes down to is would you rather say "i got down to 5% bf back in the day with clen..." while on your death bed at 40, or would you like to stay alive long enough to be able to see your grandkids? maybe a little overdramatic, but you get the picture.

**Dumbellssss** · 05-09-2006, 04:03 AM

Thanks man.... killer

Now... which one is better KETOTIFEN ? or BENADRYL ??

And why ?

**MAXIMA5** · 05-09-2006, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dumbellssss

Thanks man.... killer

Now... which one is better KETOTIFEN ? or BENADRYL ??

And why ?

Benadryl is more readily available, at least in the USA. Any generic form of benadryl, an OTC antihystamine with Diphenhydramine Hidrochloride as the active ingredient. It's used as a sleep aid in other places.

For example, if Benadryl costs $4.00 FOR (25) 25MG Tabs, the generic will probably cost $1.50 for the exact same medication.

**farrebarre** · 05-09-2006, 04:36 AM

is ketotifen tabs aswell? i googled it and found eye drops with ketotifen.. i guess its not those is it ?

**MAXIMA5** · 05-09-2006, 04:38 AM

I've never tried ketotofen. I never tried to get it because I knew I could go to the corner grocery and get 2 weeks worth of banadryl for 3 bucks.

**farrebarre** · 05-09-2006, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

I've never tried ketotofen. I never tried to get it because I knew I could go to the corner grocery and get 2 weeks worth of banadryl for 3 bucks.

aha aight, benadryl is hard to get in sweden, i searched for it and its a prescription drug

**Xprime** · 05-09-2006, 05:46 AM

I am sorry but if u use the SEARCH button u will find out that benadryl sucks, ketotifen is better.

Before yesterday i have swallowed a pill of ketotifen by mistake and one hour later i was drowsy i tried to stay awake but it was impossible, i finally slept all the journey. That is a great relaxer btw. I am impatient to use it the 3rd weeks of my 8weeks cycle of clen .

**Dumbellssss** · 05-09-2006, 06:47 AM

hahahaha

This thread is fun...
Well xprime you say benadryl sucks.... well.... Anthony Roberts says "forgget about ketotifen, go for benadryl ". (if you use the search you will find posts by him saying this, besides on the forum steroid profile he clearly speaks more about taking the bena)

A lotta people say that keto is better, but this guy sure knows something. Dont you think ???

Anyway... just one last question im not sure if people would know the answer to this...

CAN I SMOKE (cigarets, weed, whatever) WHILE ON CLEN ???

THANKS GUYS

**MAXIMA5** · 05-09-2006, 07:10 AM

Let's not turn this into a shootout over ket vs. benadryl. Use whatever you can get, because they both basically do the same thing.

End of discussion.

**magic32** · 05-09-2006, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by MAXIMA5

Let's not turn this into a shootout over ket vs. benadryl. Use whatever you can get, because they both basically do the same thing.

End of discussion.

Amen!
This subject is always a Pandora's Box.

M.

**farrebarre** · 05-09-2006, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dumbellssss

Anyway... just one last question im not sure if people would know the answer to this...

CAN I SMOKE (cigarets, weed, whatever) WHILE ON CLEN ???

THANKS GUYS

ive had the exact same question, i read something about a cigaret before morning cardio gives almost the same effect on the insulin levels etc as eating food, so imo no smoke coz it will just make that fat harder to get rid of. im still researching on this subject.

**Xprime** · 05-09-2006, 07:59 AM

Anthony roberts wrote a book with knowledge of others

**ascendant** · 05-09-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dumbellssss

Well xprime you say benadryl sucks.... well.... Anthony Roberts says "forgget about ketotifen, go for benadryl ". (if you use the search you will find posts by him saying this, besides on the forum steroid profile he clearly speaks more about taking the bena)

A lotta people say that keto is better, but this guy sure knows something. Dont you think ???

Anyway... just one last question im not sure if people would know the answer to this...

CAN I SMOKE (cigarets, weed, whatever) WHILE ON CLEN ???

THANKS GUYS

as far as what Anthony Roberts says, if diphen worked for him, good for him. search the threads in these forums and you'll see it doesn't work for everyone, but ketotifen seems to. you can easily get ketotifen from a research lab on the net. i guess try benadryl first and if it doesn't work, then get ketotifen. better yet, just do 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

are you serious about smoking?! what the hell are you doing smoking?! you know how many toxins are in cigs? if you care about getting in shape, getting cut, and building up, the last thing you should be putting in your body is that crap. don't play the "i can't quit" thing either, cause no ones holding you at gun-point making you buy the cigs. if you lack the willpower to quit smoking, then i seriously doubt you'll have the commitment to lose the bf you want.

i made a very long post in the ar lounge regarding smoking that you might want to take a look at. on that note, i'm done on this thread, cause i just don't support smoking at all. if your smoking is so important it can't be put aside for your training, you need to reasess your priorities. weed i can deal with, but cigs are just disgusting.

**Dumbellssss** · 05-09-2006, 07:20 PM

hahahahah

Man you are going crazy with the cigarets thing...
I smoke like 1 cig a day if so....

Because i like... and i could drop anytime for sure... but i dont think i smoke enough to **** me up so bad.... i mean... what could be less than a cig a day ? Half a cig ?

Come on.

Thanks anyway.... just keep it cool

cheers

**money31** · 05-09-2006, 07:35 PM

I start the ketotifen around day 12 before receptors are completely shutdown, and continue it throughout the cycle at 3-4 mg/night. have tried benadryl several times at varying doses and lengths of time. all that came of it was grogginess the next morning before cardio. hope this helps

**ascendant** · 05-09-2006, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dumbellssss

hahahahah

Man you are going crazy with the cigarets thing...
I smoke like 1 cig a day if so....

Because i like... and i could drop anytime for sure... but i dont think i smoke enough to **** me up so bad.... i mean... what could be less than a cig a day ? Half a cig ?

Come on.

Thanks anyway.... just keep it cool

cheers

one cig a day is still enough to kill the cilia in your throat, which means pollutants aren't being properly filtered out of your lungs. that includes the ones you're taking in from the cigs. if you don't know what cilia are, i'd suggest doing the research to find out what's going on with your body, cause smoking causes far more damage than you seem to think.

also, toxins in moderation are still toxins. FACT: there are over 300 known toxins contained in cigs, including tar, ammonia, arsenic, carbon monoxide, just to name some of the more well known ones. also, don't forget to take into account that since the cilia aren't working in your throat and bronchial tubes, it makes it even harder for your body to try to get rid of those toxins.

what do you "like" about smoking? it's not something you "like", it's something you get addicted to. you need to face that. people use the word "like" in reference to smoking to justify their addiction. if you have an oral fixation, get a tongue ring or lip ring and keep busy with that. there are far more productive ways to keep your mouth busy than to smoke.

maybe i was a bit rude in my last post, but i just can't stand smoking in general. first, i can't stand the fact that the FDA allows something so deadly on the market, knowing very well all the toxins the companies add to them. second, i can't stand the, i guess to be as kind as possible, the ignorance of the people that knowing nowadays the dangers of smoking, still choose to do it. third, i can't stand not being able to go out on the weekends to any public place without smokers "smoking out" the whole club or bar. fourth, i can't stand the inconsideration most smokers have, which includes dropping their cigs wherever they are, including out the car window when cars are driving behind them, with not even a second thought about it.

i could go on and on, but i did enough of that in my smokers thread in the lounge. anyway, if you only do one a day and you say you're not hooked, then why bother doing it at all? what purpose does it serve you? what are you looking to achieve by doing it? no matter how you look at it, it just makes no sense whatsoever.

**stupidhippo** · 05-10-2006, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Have you actually ran it this way? No offence, just trying to find out if you had actual experience... Logically and on paper this should be the case. I found it is not. 2 on 2 off for me.

I second this opinion.... Then when I did 2 weeks on / off I threw in some benadryl for the second week on.. seemed to give an extra kick...