gyno worse with letro!

**styxecl** · 05-14-2006, 07:58 AM

im on 500mg of test e/week.

unfortunately i followed one of the model cycles on steroid .com which was before i found this forum and learned a hell of a lot more about gear. it was a pyramide cycle of dianabol and deca (200 up to 400 and back down) and adviced to only use proviron for the last 4 weeks and then no mention of any novla in PCT...i now realise how stupid that was but from it got a small lump under my right nipple.

ive learned a hell of a lot since and so on my current stack i am using letro. i started 2 weeks before the stack taking 0.5mg ED. i noticed puffyness after 2 or 3 weeks so upped to 0.75 then 1.0 then 1.25, the puffyness continued! and i noticed the left nipple beggining to form a small lump too! for the last 10 days ive been taking letro at 2.5mg ED, theres still puffyness! and to top it off ive noticed lumpyness in the rest of my chest..sort of in strands running away from the nipples (i assume these are fatty deposits)

so what to do?!

i havent injected for the last week so if the advice i get is to quit the stack i can do so in one week and start PCT

the thing is im not certain of the severity of what is happening. when my nipples are erect my chest looks perfect! and im actually happy with it. however when its hot and my nipples are not erect they are very puffy and if i lean forward or let my shoulders sloutch forward (leaning over a desk for instance) the nipple area sticks out a fair amount...like a very small tit lol.

as the chest looks fine when nipples erect is this just water retention and i can expect the lumps not to get any worse cos of the massive letro dose? the thing is my nipples arent really sore as such, i can flick them and they do hurt a little but i guess thats to be expected, they are sore but i think thats from all the squeezing im giving them!

nipples must be slightly bigger as when they become erect they stick out a little further than they used to.

any advice on this would be great! i dont wanna quit the stack obviously but if i stand to get worse gyno then obviously i will

i should add im 10.5% bf, and my chest is prb the only bit of me that dossnt look lean...but again when nipples erect looks as lean as the rest of me

cheers!

**mwolffey** · 05-14-2006, 08:06 AM

continue with the letro imo...but the gyno may have been too far advanced, also id say drop the test and start pct asap!!!!!...sorry bro

**skr0w** · 05-14-2006, 09:36 AM

Sounds like gyno to me. Sorry dude

***BajanBastard*** · 05-14-2006, 11:37 AM

Where did you get your letro? A research company? That's strange.

**TheSentinal** · 05-14-2006, 12:50 PM

I agree - something sounds strange. I don't know, but once you get gyno, can you ever be safe on gear?

**smartwater** · 05-14-2006, 02:16 PM

dont let the "it looks good erect" fool you. this is most likley gyno.its just harder to spot when nipples are erect.

**styxecl** · 05-14-2006, 04:37 PM

thanks for the responses lads!

was worried you'd say quit but it makes the most sense! gutted

i got it from ar-r labs. dont think i added that my joints are aching and my sex drive is farily low when considering the test, so would appear i have little eostrogen. tho i must say considering the massive letro dose i would expect to have no sex drive and i have no probs getting hard so maybe its not working properly

***BajanBastard*** · 05-14-2006, 07:45 PM

That's just strange, Lion's letro has a good rep but maybe this was underdosed.

**MMA** · 05-14-2006, 07:53 PM

deca can cause progesterone gyno, and it is unaffected by anti Es. try some cabergoline.

***BajanBastard*** · 05-15-2006, 10:19 AM

Well if it is progesterone gyno the letro should have stopped it, prog gyno needs estrogen to form. If it's prolactin get the cabergoline but at 500mg test it’s unlikely.

**SpecOps** · 05-15-2006, 01:00 PM

That's strange.

I ordered Letro from AR to combat the gyno that I got.

The lump got pretty damn big - it was my first experience with gyno so I was a little freaked out.

Followed the protocol from CBino and the gyno is going away!

I don't think it's the product...

**styxecl** · 05-16-2006, 04:28 AM

thanks for the replies!

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Well if it is progesterone gyno the letro should have stopped it, prog gyno needs estrogen to form. If it's prolactin get the cabergoline but at 500mg test it’s unlikely.

thats what i was thinking. i should have added i was doing 300mg a week of deca for the first 3 weeks but when i started noticing gyno i stopped it as it was in my first cycle of deca that i got gyno and was worried there could be a connection. not to mention if i was gonna lower the gear i was doing a week i couldnt cut out the test and continue deca for obvious reasons. but anyway the point i was gonna make is that i was taking 200mg B6 ED to stop any probs from deca anyway not to mention the letro.

my plan now is to quit the stack do my pct and continue with the letro at 2.5 mg ED and see if that can shrink the new lumps. can anyone suggest anything else i could add that might increase the chance of getting rid of this new gyno? i know its not a guarenteed approach even with such a high letro dose!

cheers

**thaisteroids** · 05-16-2006, 08:27 AM

10 days of letro at 2.5mg a day won't do wonders. It took for me 7 weeks before the lump started to subside. I'm also taking 200mg of B6 ED.

but then again, I'm still juicing.....

Anyway, it also looks worce during cycle due to water retention, and you have a high BF%

I would say, just continue with the cycle, keep the letro at 2.5.
It won't get much worce when you are on 2.5 letro ED, but you will grow your muscle, and that's why you started the cycle in the first place.

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-16-2006, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by styxecl

thanks for the replies!

thats what i was thinking. i should have added i was doing 300mg a week of deca for the first 3 weeks but when i started noticing gyno i stopped it as it was in my first cycle of deca that i got gyno and was worried there could be a connection. not to mention if i was gonna lower the gear i was doing a week i couldnt cut out the test and continue deca for obvious reasons. but anyway the point i was gonna make is that i was taking 200mg B6 ED to stop any probs from deca anyway not to mention the letro.

my plan now is to quit the stack do my pct and continue with the letro at 2.5 mg ED and see if that can shrink the new lumps. can anyone suggest anything else i could add that might increase the chance of getting rid of this new gyno? i know its not a guarenteed approach even with such a high letro dose!

cheers

Cbino has a post about getting rid of gyno. use the search button and give it a read

***Doc.Sust*** · 05-16-2006, 08:34 AM

here is the link to the thread

http://forums.anabolicreview.com/sho...light=rid+gyno

**styxecl** · 05-17-2006, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by thaisteroids

10 days of letro at 2.5mg a day won't do wonders. It took for me 7 weeks before the lump started to subside. I'm also taking 200mg of B6 ED.

but then again, I'm still juicing.....

Anyway, it also looks worce during cycle due to water retention, and you have a high BF%

I would say, just continue with the cycle, keep the letro at 2.5.
It won't get much worce when you are on 2.5 letro ED, but you will grow your muscle, and that's why you started the cycle in the first place.

lol is 10.5% bf high?! i thought it was quite low

anyway, does anyone else think it would be an ok idea to continue with the stack if continuing at 2,5mg letro ED?

the way i saw it was that i can start PCT in 4 days and so can get off the gear and continue on the letro with a lot less test in me so should stand a better chance of curing the gyno. then when ive shrunk the lumps down can always re do my stack if it seems appropriate...if it doesnt seem appropraite, even after pct and a long dose of letro, it defo wouldnt have been a good idea when juicung. seems the safer approach

cheers for the link doc sust! it is a good thread ive been posting a few questions on there as it goes. thanks

**styxecl** · 05-18-2006, 04:32 PM

bump

**HORSE~** · 05-18-2006, 06:40 PM

Id keep some nolva on hand for after you finsh your letro since there can be A estrogin rebound.

Just my oppinion Id finsh the cycle can't see the gyno getting any worse with 2.5 letro ed.

Best of luck!!!!

**styxecl** · 05-19-2006, 05:36 PM

cheers bro, hopefully it'll work out!

anymore opinions?

BG · 05-19-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by MMA

deca can cause progesterone gyno, and it is unaffected by anti Es. try some cabergoline.

Thought that I sent as PM.

**styxecl** · 05-20-2006, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Thought that I sent as PM.

huh

lol

**styxecl** · 05-22-2006, 06:59 AM

bump for opinions plz geezers

**styxecl** · 07-26-2006, 03:31 PM

ok lads, an update...just bout to finish my second bottle of letro so been 2 months now.

i cant really say i have noticed any difference in the lumps. maybe a little in the lumpy estrogenic fat deposits around the nipples.

what do you think? does this mean i shud give up, be worried about what its doing to my LDL levels? or should i persist for longer and just get my cholesterol levels checked by my doc.

thanks for any advice!

**styxecl** · 07-30-2006, 02:53 PM

bump

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 07-30-2006, 03:05 PM

get a blood test. cant hurt.

**styxecl** · 07-30-2006, 03:15 PM

cheers bro! any more opinions?

**Tattoo70** · 07-30-2006, 03:20 PM

I may be wrong but if his gyno is caused by the deca wouldn't he need bromo to help it....Just my 2 cents....

**Merc..** · 07-30-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tattoo70

I may be wrong but if his gyno is caused by the deca wouldn't he need bromo to help it....Just my 2 cents....

Progesterone gyno is usually not a concern if estrogen is kept in check prog needs esterogen to form as bajan said... Remember progerone and prolactin two different hormones...Prolactin issues would be addressed by bromo or a better choice IMO caber but if it is from progesterone thats a diffrent story.. Also keep in mind letro has been shown to reduce progesterone receptors so can be a huge benefit when using a 19 nor...