Test E alone for Cutting: Doable?

**Mike Dura** · 06-05-2006, 10:01 PM

Test E with nolva for cutting. Is this doable? Would there be too much water retention? Can this be minimized by diet (e.g., low sodiom).

**guest589745** · 06-05-2006, 10:22 PM

Water retention can be minimized by diet and sodium intake and the proper AI/SERM and it will go away upon cesation of the anabolic . It is doable, very doable. ALso depends on yer dose.

**Bigmax** · 06-05-2006, 10:29 PM

I agree very doable....I would think you would not too high of a dose either.Strict diet and as skull said proper AI you should be good to go.

**Warrior** · 06-05-2006, 11:33 PM

I am currently cutting with 250mg of TE E4D with 20mg of Nolvadex EOD... everything is doing well...

**Liftnainez** · 06-05-2006, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Water retention can be minimized by diet and sodium intake and the proper AI/SERM and it will go away upon cesation of the anabolic. It is doable, very doable. ALso depends on yer dose.

this is correct..

**marcus300** · 06-06-2006, 02:16 AM

Yes you can cut on test e, if the correct precautions are in place, also alot to do with diet.

**Warrior** · 06-06-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Yes you can cut on cyp, if the correct precautions are in place, also alot to do with diet.

Deffinitly - appetite increases a bit, especially early in the cycle... so ways to supress hunger become more necessary. Caloric defecits become less catabolic... but weight comes off slower. Its basically a struggle between catabolism and anabolism that can result in some muscle gain with fat loss if done correctly...

**scriptfactory** · 06-06-2006, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Warrior

Deffinitly - appetite increases a bit, especially early in the cycle... so ways to supress hunger become more necessary. Caloric defecits become less catabolic... but weight comes off slower. Its basically a struggle between catabolism and anabolism that can result in some muscle gain with fat loss if done correctly...

Weight comes off slower but lipolysis is increased. Fat loss will be accelerated while taking testosterone and muscle loss will be slowed.

**Mike Dura** · 06-06-2006, 01:35 PM

Nice! And I bet little sides on that dose right? My cycle exprerience is with M1T, superdrol, and back in the late eigties, dbol and deca . That said, that amount should be adequate for me as I try to cut right?

Originally Posted by Warrior

I am currently cutting with 250mg of TE E4D with 20mg of Nolvadex EOD... everything is doing well...

**Mike Dura** · 06-06-2006, 01:37 PM

What would be proper AI/SERM? I was consider nolvadex 10mg daily or 20 EOD.

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

Water retention can be minimized by diet and sodium intake and the proper AI/SERM and it will go away upon cesation of the anabolic. It is doable, very doable. ALso depends on yer dose.

**Warrior** · 06-06-2006, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Nice! And I bet little sides on that dose right? My cycle exprerience is with M1T, superdrol, and back in the late eigties, dbol and deca. That said, that amount should be adequate for me as I try to cut right?

The only sides are the increased androgen levels

I had some initial weight fluctuations after the frontload but everything is currently back on target and doing very well. I managed to drop that extra weight from the frontload pretty quick. Higher androgen levels help to better refill glycogen when I carb load as well. My strength levels have been going up again as well... while the bodyfat continues to go down. So, I'll endorse this

**Mike Dura** · 06-06-2006, 02:17 PM

Frontload? What did you front load? Test E takes a while to kick in too right?

Originally Posted by Warrior

The only sides are the increased androgen levels

I had some initial weight fluctuations after the frontload but everything is currently back on target and doing very well. I managed to drop that extra weight from the frontload pretty quick. Higher androgen levels help to better refill glycogen when I carb load as well. My strength levels have been going up again as well... while the bodyfat continues to go down. So, I'll endorse this

**Warrior** · 06-07-2006, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Frontload? What did you front load? Test E takes a while to kick in too right?

I frontloaded it with 500mg of Sustanon250 day one, then 3 days later 250mg of testosterone enantate... and then 250mg E4D from then on. This got plasma levels up and stable after week 1.

**Mike Dura** · 06-07-2006, 02:35 PM

Where can I learn about this basic idea?

Originally Posted by Warrior

I frontloaded it with 500mg of Sustanon250 day one, then 3 days later 250mg of testosterone enantate... and then 250mg E4D from then on. This got plasma levels up and stable after week 1.

**Giants11** · 06-07-2006, 02:37 PM

Can't see any issues with any type of test and cutting.

**Giants11** · 06-07-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Where can I learn about this basic idea?

Do a search on Frontloading, its been discussed many times. So prefer it, others don't.

**8pak** · 06-07-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

What would be proper AI/SERM? I was consider nolvadex 10mg daily or 20 EOD.

Arimidex .25-.50mg/day dried me out like dust. made my bum shoulder start to hurt again! LOL.

**Mike Dura** · 06-08-2006, 08:51 PM

Doesn't arimadex impact upon the effectiveness of the test? I've also think I read that arimadex negatively impacts upon cholestral profile. Is that right?

Originally Posted by 8pak

Arimidex .25-.50mg/day dried me out like dust. made my bum shoulder start to hurt again! LOL.

**Warrior** · 06-08-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Dura

Doesn't arimadex impact upon the effectiveness of the test? I've also think I read that arimadex negatively impacts upon cholestral profile. Is that right?

Thats an old Dan Duchaine myth... usually tied to Nolvadex :

"The claim that Nolvadex reduces gains should not be taken too seriously. The fact is that any number of bodybuilders have made excellent gains while using Nolvadex. The belief that it reduces gains seems to stem from the fact that the scientific literature reports a slight reduction in IGF-1 (individuals using anabolic steroids were not studied though) from use of Nolvadex. Thus, Dan Duchaine reported that it reduces IGF-1 and therefore reduces gains. However, if this effect exists at all, it must be very minor, due to the excellent gains that many have made, and from the fact that no one has noticed any such thing from Clomid, which has the same activity profile.

"However, I would not be surprised if one were to tell a steroid user that Clomid reduced his gains, he would immediately become afraid that Clomid reduced his gains (please note that no one I have ever heard of has noticed this.) Not having been so misled, however, he would not conclude this from his results. But if an authority publishes that such an effect occurs, whether it does or not it can become self-fulfilling by biasing the user.

"The fact that Nolvadex will reduce water retention may result in the user agreeing that gains are less, since weight gain is less, thus reinforcing the bias." - Bill Roberts

Estrogen helps with Cholesterol values while on cycle - attempting to block all of its conversion is niether necessary nor healthy. Keep your Arimidex use reasonable... or use some Nolvadex which really only exerts it's effects as an anti-e on certain tissue...