100mg tbol vs 100mg anavar?

**legend05** · 07-16-2006, 10:21 AM

Which would you go with?

Price isnt an issue as I already have enough of both tabs to run for 8 weeks

or maybe 50mg of each?

For those that have run high dosages of the above which did you find best?

Will be running with prop & tren

***BajanBastard*** · 07-16-2006, 10:36 AM

I would stack 50mg of each.

***SPIKE*** · 07-16-2006, 10:42 AM

I ran 60mgs of Var and 40mgs of T-bol before. On paper they seem to have a great synergistic effect but my results were meager to say the least.

I have done 100mgs of Var and had much better results with that. Actually there really wasnt much of a difference between 60mgs-100mgs of Var. What I can say is that I had no sides from the Var and the T-bol irritated my stomach and gave me occasional headaches.

**Johny-too-small** · 07-16-2006, 12:13 PM

doing 50 mg/ed of tbol now, always heard that going over 80 mg/ed of tbol is a gas and headache nightmare

**doittoit** · 07-16-2006, 07:03 PM

I've done up to 200mg of t-bol, nothing special. Havent tried Var yet.

**tele20** · 07-16-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jayhova

I ran 60mgs of Var and 40mgs of T-bol before. On paper they seem to have a great synergistic effect but my results were meager to say the least.

I have done 100mgs of Var and had much better results with that. Actually there really wasnt much of a difference between 60mgs-100mgs of Var. What I can say is that I had no sides from the Var and the T-bol irritated my stomach and gave me occasional headaches.

exact same cycle with the same meager results. I feel best with 80mgs of Tbol.

**Anabolios** · 07-16-2006, 08:41 PM

id mix the two

**Smart@$$** · 07-17-2006, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jayhova

I ran 60mgs of Var and 40mgs of T-bol before. On paper they seem to have a great synergistic effect but my results were meager to say the least.

I have done 100mgs of Var and had much better results with that. Actually there really wasnt much of a difference between 60mgs-100mgs of Var. What I can say is that I had no sides from the Var and the T-bol irritated my stomach and gave me occasional headaches.

This is good advice, High dosed var.

**magic32** · 07-17-2006, 07:46 AM

I've manipulated dosages of these alone (at the tail end of cycles) to accurately measure autonomous results.

I noticed significant difference between 60 and 80mgs of Var, with no change at 100. The greatest impact here was on fat repartitioning, as abdominals and midsection in general (serratus, intercostals and obliques) were dialed in at 80.

Tbol/Var at 40/60, 60/40

50/50, and 60/60 all yielded similar results, namely decent definition but markedly higher lbm than Var alone.

In summation, if definition is your goal I'd go high Var (80mgs.), but if more muscularity is what you're craving

...mix them.

M.

***SPIKE*** · 07-17-2006, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by tele20

exact same cycle with the same meager results.

You too huh?? Sometimes thing look better on paper then they do when you actually run them.

Originally Posted by Smart@$$

This is good advice, High dosed var.

Yea, I think I'll stick with that route for future runs as well.

**vitor** · 07-17-2006, 08:11 AM

It would be better to switch out the T-bol and run D-bol/var. Those 2 works very well synergistic together, and thats a pretty solid oral combo...I know b/c Ive tried it once

**magic32** · 07-17-2006, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

It would be better to switch out the T-bol and run D-bol/var. Those 2 works very well synergistic together, and thats a pretty solid oral combo...I know b/c Ive tried it once

True but this would change the goal orientation.

M.

**vitor** · 07-17-2006, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

True but this would change the goal orientation.

M.

Nope. cutting or bulking can be done with any compounds.

**magic32** · 07-17-2006, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Nope. cutting or bulking can be done with any compounds.

That's true, though some are significantly better at one or the other, and I'm not disputing your combo.

But generally when one is considering administering Tbol & Var, they're attempting to severely limit growth/mass. Dbol is inconsistent with this goal (regardless of diet & cardio) which is why it's typically absent from the equation.

M.

**ss01** · 07-17-2006, 10:06 AM

Mixing orals can be very harsh on the liver. I would advise only one oral at any time, seriously.

I mean, you do want to be able to play this game for a while, right?

**Smart@$$** · 07-17-2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ss01

Mixing orals can be very harsh on the liver. I would advise only one oral at any time, seriously.

I mean, you do want to be able to play this game for a while, right?

What is the difference between lets say, 50mg winny with 50mg drol and someone who takes 100-150mg of drol alone?

I would think it would be about the dose of each oral, not how many orals.

**legend05** · 07-17-2006, 11:32 AM

Some good replies here, at the moment it looks like its the var option i'll be going for

**Liftnainez** · 07-17-2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by ss01

Mixing orals can be very harsh on the liver. I would advise only one oral at any time, seriously.

I mean, you do want to be able to play this game for a while, right?

another one to add to the list.. its ok for people to run drol @ 200mg or dbol @ 100 mg per day., but 40mg tbol and 40 mg of var is TOOO harsh, right.. I see what your saying but it just isnt true.. with proper prectuations and responsible use you will be fine..

**Italion Stallion07** · 07-17-2006, 11:52 AM

im running 75mg right now ED OT and im bumping it to 120ED tonight :-D

**Liftnainez** · 07-17-2006, 11:54 AM

looking jacked in the avy bro.. hows the cycle going? What esle your running it with?

**Italion Stallion07** · 07-17-2006, 11:55 AM

just tbol only... its kind of an experiment for myself

**Italion Stallion07** · 07-17-2006, 11:56 AM

i just started the cycle a week ago. my OT was a solution that was 25mg/ml so i took 3 and got 75mg but not my Ot comes in 40mg/ml so im just goign to take three of those and see how it goes

**Liftnainez** · 07-17-2006, 11:56 AM

i hear ya... duration? Is your diet geared towards cutting or bulking?

**Italion Stallion07** · 07-17-2006, 11:59 AM

im a hard gainer so im always bulking. i have never cut or done a day of cardio in my life. my diet varies. im not a pro BB obviously so i dont go over board with monitoring it becasue when i did i missed out on alot of the fun in my life.

i just eat alot and at the right times and try to keep things pretty clean. my cycle is going to be 8 weeks i think.

**Liftnainez** · 07-17-2006, 12:09 PM

Defintely understand.. well you look pretty lean for never doing carido or cutting.. good genetics.. good luck with the cycle..

**Italion Stallion07** · 07-17-2006, 12:11 PM

Thanks bro you too... if your cycling:-D

**Liftnainez** · 07-17-2006, 12:15 PM

coincedentally I am as well lol.. Unfortunately Im ending tbol in the next few days, but continuing to run var (will bump it up to 80 or 100mgs per day).. I am not really all out bulking, more of a lean bulk and now gearing up towards cutting a bit.. I am getting leaner, harder, but nothing to crazy.. I used tbol with test and that was some powerful stuff.. Im not looking for the mass, bloat gains though- so overall I am happy.. thanks bro

**legend05** · 07-19-2006, 05:29 PM

Started the var today, 100mg per day, taking 5 tabs twice daily

Will update again when i start to feel it

**Liftnainez** · 07-19-2006, 05:55 PM

good luck

**ss01** · 07-20-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Liftnainez

another one to add to the list.. its ok for people to run drol @ 200mg or dbol @ 100 mg per day., but 40mg tbol and 40 mg of var is TOOO harsh, right.. I see what your saying but it just isnt true.. with proper prectuations and responsible use you will be fine..

I never stated it was OK to dose 200mg Drol ED. That is pretty insane IMO.

I'm saying mixing orals will give unpredictable results WRT liver toxicity. Although I agree 40mg OT & 40mg Var would be less toxic than 100mg Dbol . Or 200mg Drol.

Yes I advise true precautions, but how many people actually take them? I myself had some liver soreness off 20mg Ergomax in my first cycle. Without liver protection that is. What does it mean? Nothing, except that sometimes even "gentle" orals can be surprising. Sometimes 1+1 = 3.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 07-20-2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by ss01

I never stated it was OK to dose 200mg Drol ED. That is pretty insane IMO.

I'm saying mixing orals will give unpredictable results WRT liver toxicity. Although I agree 40mg OT & 40mg Var would be less toxic than 100mg Dbol . Or 200mg Drol.

Yes I advise true precautions, but how many people actually take them? I myself had some liver soreness off 20mg Ergomax in my first cycle. Without liver protection that is. What does it mean? Nothing, except that sometimes even "gentle" orals can be surprising. Sometimes 1+1 = 3.

Liver soreness wtf? How does this "liver soreness" actually feel like....a stomach cramp? sore abs? gas? A chest buster off of ALIENS?

do tell.....

Don't offer advice on orals , especially if you have no idea on what your talking about.

Thank you.

Tbol/ Var cycles are good. I like Turinabol much better than I like Anavar . I guess it rangers from person to person ...like jayhova likes anavar I think it SUCKS muahahahahahhahahah. ok I'm done now.

**ss01** · 07-21-2006, 08:51 AM

And why would you think I don't know my sh!t huh?

Liver soreness is like a soreness located where your liver is. Maybe this isn't clear enough for you? How about an uncomfortable feeling of slight pain on the right side below the lungs, beneath the lower ribs.

Go get a common sense course, it'll do ya good.

**klobb** · 07-21-2006, 11:07 AM

While the general consensus here seems to be that more or less all doctors are morons, I nontehless thought it might be interesting to know that a doctor of mine said that the only way to feel ANYTHING from the liver would be if you happened to have, like, advanced liver cancer.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 07-21-2006, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by ss01

Mixing orals can be very harsh on the liver. I would advise only one oral at any time, seriously.

I mean, you do want to be able to play this game for a while, right?

Sso1 Your a complete waste of life. Look at you, just go look in the mirror , SEE your PATHETIC & A MORON.

Don't try to single me out like I'm the fool later on when it's you who doesn't have any sence.

So to what you said. "Mixing orals can be very harsh on the liver"<--- how do you know? Have you tried 2 orals and had blood tests? Ohhh wait know I take that back one time you had "LIVER PAIN" <--- Your an idiot.

I have mixed orals , Tbol& VAR to be exact. I have had bloodtests they were perfect. So mind your business and shut your mouth if you can't contribute with real facts to this guys thread punk.

Your a joke.