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    critique my cycle

    alright guy, bout to start my 1st cycle, ive got a 20 ml bottle of test e thats rated at 300mg/ml my questions are:

    1. can i shoot300mg twice per week
    2. which pct will work best with this compound
    3. with my stats, will this compound be sufficient?

    188 lbs, 6'1, 6% bf
    goals are to bulk, just started my bulk diet

    thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by hangtight08
    alright guy, bout to start my 1st cycle, ive got a 20 ml bottle of test e thats rated at 300mg/ml my questions are:

    1. can i shoot300mg twice per week Yes
    2. which pct will work best with this compound Pheedno PCT is Best
    3. with my stats, will this compound be sufficient? Heaps Sufficient

    188 lbs, 6'1, 6% bf
    goals are to bulk, just started my bulk diet

    thanks guys
    Answers abouve in bold

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    can u explin what Pheedno PCT is?

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    Sure here it is

    Pheedno's PCT
    My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


    PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
    Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

    Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
    Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
    Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
    Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
    Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

    Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
    With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

    1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
    occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
    2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

    Arimidex (or L-dex)
    Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

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    kale you really do deserve to be vet. fakkkk..

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    wow anyone one else have some input???

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    why do you want more input..? kale already said everything what had to be said

    Just run your cycle as suggested with Kales PCT protocol and you'll be fine.

    On a side note: i read nothing concerning your age. Hope you are older than 21?

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    for shizzle...

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