Steroids and alcohol!!!

[usahoe18]

How much gets washed out when you drink? Just took a shot of enanthate at 6am and now drinking.... How much will it hinder?

[usahoe18]

I know you guys are gonna rip me, but I havn't drank in 2 weeks on this shit, so I've been good.

[THE_DOME]

here ya go bro if your on a cycle you shouldnt drink

[gixxerboy1]

It doesnt wash out steriods

[THE_DOME]

that was posted on this board a couple of weeks ago i saved it

cited not sure where from

[305GUY]

memeber since 2002 and THIS is yourpost ARE YOU FU*KING SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cant you hold off on the drinks til your off cycle.. YOU HAVE YEARS TO DRINK.. TRAIN AND BETTER YOURSELF NOW!!

[THE_DOME]

alright, in frustration of having to discuss this matter over and over and over again for people lacking the discipline to not drink while doing a cycle, i'm going to just make a list of all the issues associated with drinking while on a cycle or even just drinking and how it negatively affects the body in general. that way i can save the link to this post and save myself from posting about this issue time and time again, which by the way i'm quite disappointed in their being such a need to. well, here we go...

1. Alcohol negatively affects protein synthesis - this is a known scientific fact guys and one that is obviously a big hinderance to our goals considering decreased protein synthesis means decreased muscle recovery and growth. though you may blow it off thinking it's effects can't be that dramatic, think again. alcohol can decrease our bodies ability to synthesize protein by up to 20%.

2. Alcohol adversely affects growth hormone and igf - this applies not only to exogenous, but endogenous gh and igf as well, and the effects are quite significant, particularly on igf. alcohol can lower igf levels by as much as 30-40%.

3. Alcohol causes dehydration - in order to break down the alcohol, the kidneys must filter a large amount of water. considering our muscles are made of 70% water and water plays a huge role in muscle recovery and growth, this is obviously a big problem. for those mistakingly thinking the dehydrating effect isn't that significant, here's something to think about... Alcohol can cause up to a 3% loss in body weight from water loss in a 4 hour period.

4. Alcohol lowers testosterone and increases estrogen levels - this occurs due to alcohols increase in our bodies aromitization process. now, anyone with even a basic knowledge on testosterone and estrogen would know this is a very unfavorable effect on our bodies. long story short, it's effects include reduced muscle growth/recovery, increased fat storage, and other feminization effects.

5. Alcohol depletes our bodies of vitamins and minerals - the most prominent of those being the b vitamins (b-6,b-12, etc), vit a, vit c, phosphorous, calcium, and zinc. Obviously lacking in these nutrients can seriously hinder muscle growth, recovery, and even maintenance.

6. Calories from Alcohol are primarily stored as bodyfat - best said in this quote "carbohydrates found in alcohol are not converted into glucose and are used to make fatty acids that are stored as fat typically in the liver which eventually alters the metabolism of proteins and the liver’s function leading to fibrosis and cirrhosis (irreversible liver damage)" (article 3). . nuff said.

7. Alcohol negatively affects our bodies kreb's cycle - this is our bodies ability to burn fat as an energy source. so if our body doesn't burn fat as an energy source, the alternatives are blood glucose, muscle glycogen, and muscle protein, the third of which of course us bb's try to avoid at all costs.

8. Alcohol negatively affects our REM sleep - this occurs even in minor alcohol consumption (2-3 drinks). it negatively affects the duration of our REM sleep, it's quality, and the overall time we're in REM during our resting period. see article 5 below for more info.

9. Alcohol decreases our bodies immune system - considering gear can lower our immunity systems as it is, alcohol can increase our chances of getting sick or getting infections even more, and quite dramatically, even in small amounts. obviously being sick means less time in the gym, or at least a decreased ability to recover while working out.

10. Alcohol increases cortisol production - cortisol is one of the worst chemicals we can have floating around in our bodies as far as negatively affecting our muscle mass. if you don't know what cortisol is and why you want to avoid increasing it's production, just do a wikipedia search about cortisol and you'll see why. basically, it will break down muscle mass into amino acids as a stress response.

well, there you have it. even those who use the justification of moderate alcohol consumption can see that even at low levels of consumption, it can still have a dramatic impact on your gains. if the above information and the links provided below don't convince you to try to stop the drinking and find other things to do to enjoy your weekends, then honestly i don't know what to tell you.

maybe a good follow-up to this thread should be one giving a list of alternatives to drinking on the weekends and other ways to go out and have fun?

article 1 - alcohols effect on protein synthesis - http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...act/277/2/E268

article 2 - effects on gh and igf - http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...tract/35/2/148

article 3 - several good pieces of info on the negative effects of alcohol - http://www.athletics.mcgill.ca/sport...article_id=613

article 4 - alcohols aromatization effects - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...92570f68613e73

article 5 - http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindand...hp?artID=99959

[305GUY]

alright, in frustration of having to discuss this matter over and over and over again for people lacking the discipline to not drink while doing a cycle, i'm going to just make a list of all the issues associated with drinking while on a cycle or even just drinking and how it negatively affects the body in general. that way i can save the link to this post and save myself from posting about this issue time and time again, which by the way i'm quite disappointed in their being such a need to. well, here we go...

1. Alcohol negatively affects protein synthesis - this is a known scientific fact guys and one that is obviously a big hinderance to our goals considering decreased protein synthesis means decreased muscle recovery and growth. though you may blow it off thinking it's effects can't be that dramatic, think again. alcohol can decrease our bodies ability to synthesize protein by up to 20%.

2. Alcohol adversely affects growth hormone and igf - this applies not only to exogenous, but endogenous gh and igf as well, and the effects are quite significant, particularly on igf. alcohol can lower igf levels by as much as 30-40%.

3. Alcohol causes dehydration - in order to break down the alcohol, the kidneys must filter a large amount of water. considering our muscles are made of 70% water and water plays a huge role in muscle recovery and growth, this is obviously a big problem. for those mistakingly thinking the dehydrating effect isn't that significant, here's something to think about... Alcohol can cause up to a 3% loss in body weight from water loss in a 4 hour period.

4. Alcohol lowers testosterone and increases estrogen levels - this occurs due to alcohols increase in our bodies aromitization process. now, anyone with even a basic knowledge on testosterone and estrogen would know this is a very unfavorable effect on our bodies. long story short, it's effects include reduced muscle growth/recovery, increased fat storage, and other feminization effects.

5. Alcohol depletes our bodies of vitamins and minerals - the most prominent of those being the b vitamins (b-6,b-12, etc), vit a, vit c, phosphorous, calcium, and zinc. Obviously lacking in these nutrients can seriously hinder muscle growth, recovery, and even maintenance.

6. Calories from Alcohol are primarily stored as bodyfat - best said in this quote "carbohydrates found in alcohol are not converted into glucose and are used to make fatty acids that are stored as fat typically in the liver which eventually alters the metabolism of proteins and the liver’s function leading to fibrosis and cirrhosis (irreversible liver damage)" (article 3). . nuff said.

7. Alcohol negatively affects our bodies kreb's cycle - this is our bodies ability to burn fat as an energy source. so if our body doesn't burn fat as an energy source, the alternatives are blood glucose, muscle glycogen, and muscle protein, the third of which of course us bb's try to avoid at all costs.

8. Alcohol negatively affects our REM sleep - this occurs even in minor alcohol consumption (2-3 drinks). it negatively affects the duration of our REM sleep, it's quality, and the overall time we're in REM during our resting period. see article 5 below for more info.

9. Alcohol decreases our bodies immune system - considering gear can lower our immunity systems as it is, alcohol can increase our chances of getting sick or getting infections even more, and quite dramatically, even in small amounts. obviously being sick means less time in the gym, or at least a decreased ability to recover while working out.

10. Alcohol increases cortisol production - cortisol is one of the worst chemicals we can have floating around in our bodies as far as negatively affecting our muscle mass. if you don't know what cortisol is and why you want to avoid increasing it's production, just do a wikipedia search about cortisol and you'll see why. basically, it will break down muscle mass into amino acids as a stress response.

well, there you have it. even those who use the justification of moderate alcohol consumption can see that even at low levels of consumption, it can still have a dramatic impact on your gains. if the above information and the links provided below don't convince you to try to stop the drinking and find other things to do to enjoy your weekends, then honestly i don't know what to tell you.

maybe a good follow-up to this thread should be one giving a list of alternatives to drinking on the weekends and other ways to go out and have fun?

article 1 - alcohols effect on protein synthesis - http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...act/277/2/E268

article 2 - effects on gh and igf - http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...tract/35/2/148

article 3 - several good pieces of info on the negative effects of alcohol - http://www.athletics.mcgill.ca/sport...article_id=613

article 4 - alcohols aromatization effects - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...92570f68613e73

article 5 - http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindand...hp?artID=99959

nice post! im assuming you typed that up since you didnt give credit to anyone. good job.. i will copy and paste this for all the alcohol and cycle threads

[usahoe18]

And having this said, you still havn't answered my question. How much percentage does drinkin alcohol (as in large consumed amounts), affect you after you take a shot? How much percentage does it wash out?

[305GUY]

*sigh*

"usahoe" suits you well as a username

[THE_DOME]

usa 18%

[usahoe18]

Hey dont tell me what I need to do, answer my question....And if you have something smart to say, DONT POST IT!!!

[usahoe18]

Naw straight up, any research done on this? Whats the percentage?

No orals so I'm not ****in the liver up. So what, whats the deal?

[305GUY]

usa 18%

ummm dont mean to bust your balls but where did you get that figure from? IMO there is no set number so i'd love to read up on it

[305GUY]

Hey dont tell me what I need to do, answer my question....And if you have something smart to say, DONT POST IT!!!

[THE_DOME]

how in the world can someone calculate how much test is lost when you drink?

[THE_DOME]

ummm dont mean to bust your balls but where did you get that figure from? IMO there is no set number so i'd love to read up on it

just a joke

[305GUY]

just a joke

i must be the worst at spotting internet sarcasm

me<

[usahoe18]

No seriously, next shot is friday.....???

[gixxerboy1]

I dont think there is a scientific evidence on what percentage. If you just did a shot of an oil based product and drink later that night. Most of that oil hasn't been absorbed by your body yet.

Also lay off the guy for going out and having fun. I love these holier than thou post. Not everyone wants to turn pro or bb isnt the most important thing in there life.

Also i love how bad its going to hinder your gains. I'm sure its not good for them but you know how many pros I've seen party? Hell alcohol was probably the best thing i seen some take.

it dramitcally hurts gains? Geeze if that was true know how many people I've seen that would probably be pro if they didn't party. I've seen guys as clubs who look like they could step on stage and they are retarder on e, coke, k , g you name it. But i guess that's why we don't all look like ronnie that dam few drinks sat night.

[italianplayboy09]

who makes a post like this and then expects people to answer him with helping arms like we are supposed to know exactly the amount?

[usahoe18]

Just what I'm looking to read...Thanks a lot!!! I'm not looking to go amatuer, pro or whatever the hell else is next. I'm on roids and still like to have fun, so be it. Most guys in the gym are roid rats, and what do they do on weekends, sit at home eating as much as they can by thereselves? **** that!!!!

Not asking percentages, just wondering estimated amounts

[305GUY]

its not about the percentage alcohol hinders.. its the fact that you are injecting synthetic hormones into your body and you not being able to control your alcohol intake for a set # of weeks.. i just dont get it. BUT i see guys doing it all the time.. sorry for being a preacher!

[2bshredded]

No seriously, next shot is friday.....???

What are your goals? If you are serious about improving yourself then leave the booze alone. What is more important, why are you doing aas?

[usahoe18]

i do control it.....Off cycle I drink everyweekend, and I mean get ripped!!!! I havn't drank in 2 weeks, the first 2 weeks of the cycle. Is anything lost drinking takin the shots?

[usahoe18]

I mean gains, i dont know....15-20 lbs. Taking 500mg test e and 400 deca for 10 weeks....You tell me

[gixxerboy1]

its not about the percentage alcohol hinders.. its the fact that you are injecting synthetic hormones into your body and you not being able to control your alcohol intake for a set # of weeks.. i just dont get it. BUT i see guys doing it all the time.. sorry for being a preacher!

because the benefit to risk ratio isn't worth it to a lot of people. If it hurts his gains really how much? Lets just say 1/2 pound of muscle for partying on the weekend. To most guys in their twenties would give up 1/2 pound to go out and have fun. You only live once you cant take everything so serious.

there are a million reasons why people can say its stupid to drink. What about the financial reasons. You go out in Miami judging by the 305 how much can you spend on a sat night? Hundreds add all them up what can you have done with that cash. So someone can say your stupid you couldn't sit in and not drink you could have paid off your car.

[usahoe18]

Okday so i lost a 1/2 lb tonight.....So be it

[italianplayboy09]

if youre serious about taking a cycle then you need to be 100% serious not just 80 or 90. you know youre ready for a cycle when you can say to yourself i wont drink at all while im on it and actually abide by that. if you cant commit to not drinking for a period of time then youre not ready.

[godkilla]

this is stupidest question ever. "wash out"?!

[305GUY]

because the benefit to risk ratio isn't worth it to a lot of people. If it hurts his gains really how much? Lets just say 1/2 pound of muscle for partying on the weekend. To most guys in their twenties would give up 1/2 pound to go out and have fun. You only live once you cant take everything so serious.

there are a million reasons why people can say its stupid to drink. What about the financial reasons. You go out in Miami judging by the 305 how much can you spend on a sat night? Hundreds add all them up what can you have done with that cash. So someone can say your stupid you couldn't sit in and not drink you could have paid off your car.

we really dont see eye to eye hear. so let me be more clear... somebody is on cycle for a set # of weeks.. they are injecting synthetic hormones into their body for a set # of weeks,. they spent time and money to achieve the most out of their cycle in those weeks and hopefully keep most of their gains. if they are trying to get 100% out of their cycle then DONT ...drink, if they want anything less THEN DRINK.... for me its a mental thing... i would probaly regret it later (thinking to myself a year from now, "damn i wish i took my cycle more serious and not drank) but thats just me...

anyways i dont wanna get preachy because i blow trees just about ED (mainly for the hunger it provides plus i love to smoke and rip ) ... but alcohol IMO on cycle should be avoided.. thats my preach for the month..thank you very much. carry on..

[THE_DOME]

this is stupidest question ever. "wash out"?!

just classic

[usahoe18]

Okay, so I guess not taking roids and drinking once in while is better than not taking them and not drinking. i don't think so.... Eventhough juicing and drinking may hinder you, it's a lot better than taking none at all...

I'm not looking to be 100% ready. If you do that, your not having fun!!!!

[italianplayboy09]

bro this is your liver at stake here beside the gains from the cycle itself. you are severly harming your liver. dont forget you only have 1

[usahoe18]

Damn give this man some props.....****ing thank you....I'm not looking to be pro and obsessed with it....

[gixxerboy1]

we really dont see eye to eye hear. so let me be more clear... somebody is on cycle for a set # of weeks.. they are injecting synthetic hormones into their body for a set # of weeks,. they spent time and money to achieve the most out of their cycle in those weeks and hopefully keep most of their gains. if they are trying to get 100% out of their cycle then DONT ...drink, if they want anything less THEN DRINK.... for me its a mental thing... i would probaly regret it later (thinking to myself a year from now, "damn i wish i took my cycle more serious and not drank) but thats just me...

anyways i dont wanna get preachy because i blow trees just about ED (mainly for the hunger it provides plus i love to smoke and rip ) ... but alcohol IMO on cycle should be avoided.. thats my preach for the month..thank you very much. carry on..

I dont thin kwe will see eye to eye. See i would say smoking ed would be horrible. i think most people want to get most out of their lives not just thier cycle. So you give a little of your gains to enjoy yourself on a sat night.

[usahoe18]

If I remeber correctly, injections bypass your liver

[italianplayboy09]

yah yah yah yah. i also know this couple maybe youve seen him on TV, he is the president of the US and his wife is the first lady. i dont care about who you know or what they do. the guy has no common knowledge of what the effect of steroids and drinking together does to your liver, im only trying to help him out and for you to stick up for him is just dumb and irresponsible on your part.

[305GUY]

as Ron Burgandy once said(lol)......"lets agree to disagree"

[gixxerboy1]

bro this is your liver at stake here beside the gains from the cycle itself. you are severly harming your liver. dont forget you only have 1

Really do you know how much abuse someone's liver can take. Its long term abuse that really hurts your liver.