How do people judge amounts to reccommend?

**AlwaysLearning** · 08-22-2006, 06:50 AM

Personally i have always reacted better to mild cycles, putting on 14 lbs retained, and little sides. The one time i pushed the limits i ended up with horrible acne and still only 14lbs retained.

I personally have made the following gains after cycles.

200 mg deca pw. 14lbs retained

200ml deca & 250mg sust pw. 16lbs retained

400lbs deca & 500mg sust. 14lbs retained. horriffic acne on my back. nausia. massive bloating.
(al 10-12 weeks)
15mg var and 200mg prop on a cutting cycle. weight held.

i constantly read ppl saying...many mg is good, or as little as 200mg/ml pw isnt enough. Why?

I am
6'3
210 lbs
10% bf.

im planning on doing a 200mg deca & 200mg enanthate with 30mg dbol pw 10 week cycle to jump my wight hopefully 10lbs. Many would say its not enough or too little....why?
where do ppl get their theories from that more is bigger....?

**IBdmfkr** · 08-22-2006, 07:05 AM

If that is you in your avatar I'd suggest no MG for you.. Learn how to eat properly and train, AAS isn't for you if you are at that level with that many mini cycles under your belt.

**AlwaysLearning** · 08-22-2006, 07:11 AM

negative comment removed

**V_Vandetta** · 08-22-2006, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by AlwaysLearning

Personally i have always reacted better to mild cycles, putting on 14 lbs retained, and little sides. The one time i pushed the limits i ended up with horrible acne and still only 14lbs retained.

I personally have made the following gains after cycles.

200 mg deca pw. 14lbs retained

200ml deca & 250mg sust pw. 16lbs retained

400lbs deca & 500mg sust. 14lbs retained. horriffic acne on my back. nausia. massive bloating.
(al 10-12 weeks)
15mg var and 200mg prop on a cutting cycle. weight held.

i constantly read ppl saying...many mg is good, or as little as 200mg/ml pw isnt enough. Why?

I am
6'3
210 lbs
10% bf.

im planning on doing a 200mg deca & 200mg enanthate with 30mg dbol pw 10 week cycle to jump my wight hopefully 10lbs. Many would say its not enough or too little....why?
where do ppl get their theories from that more is bigger....?

.

there are lots of things to look at but there is a standred that some follow and most take more because they feel they need to BUt bottem line is that if you dont eat no matter what dose of AAS you will not grow ....... but to me dosing is a person to person thing........... when asking for advive listen to all that share and the best course to follow is your own take all advice apply with your own research and go from there ....... also take into account your years training your body size and over all BB knowledge ........... because as you grow and get big the need for higher doseing is needed . so is the food intake just because a guy has 3 of 4 cycles under his belt dont make him a Guru........

for myself after a decade of BB I still learn new things everyday ... and when giving advice I try to remeber the basics because i am at a point and body size that I have worked for over the 12 years .......... and when you have done this, for this amount of time trail and error has played a big part and there are guys here that have been doing this for even longer......... So when one suggest something it should come experance ....... but the end result is that one needs to judge for them selves what works for them .....

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-22-2006, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by AlwaysLearning

amazing how you can tell from an unclear photo. and without asking what my aims are...

I think he was saying it was obvious, from the amount of aas already taken, that you need more education in diet as well as training. This information can be found in those forums.

**IBdmfkr** · 08-22-2006, 07:16 AM

I have that gift. Your stats were all that was needed.. 6'3 210lbs at an unconfirmed 10% is naturally doable by even someone with the worst genetics.. don't get upset, it should inspire you to learn a bit on how to produce gains naturally to save you a lot of trouble/health risks in the future when you consistantly lean on Anabolics to fill that void. I'm a user myself and started too early/relied on anabolics too, that's why I try and help. but take it how you want bro.
Goodluck.

**AlwaysLearning** · 08-22-2006, 07:27 AM

i apologise. all of the comments are helpful and thank you for answering.

Maybe i should have elaborated.
I suffer from psoriatic arthritus and was proscribed deca to boost the protein synthesis in my legs as i have unavoidable swelling in my knees, hence even if i COULD squat or leg press, my quad is told to shut down by the swelling in my knee. deca was proscribed by a specialist to stop me being top heavy. it worked to the degree that my legs grew.

I can never get rid of the arthritus, and so my genetics are against me. i was 10 stone...14lbs at 20...now im 210 at 24. what isnt impressive to you, is a lot for me, as the cards were stacked against me.

Without the deca, for its cussioning of my brittle joints and its aiding in protein synthesis id still be 140lbs...
i have been working for a previous female british champ, who has got my diet clean and good. but, whereas she is an expert on diet, she is a woman, and cannot aid my queeries on test...

i appreciate your thoughts, and points, but without the aid that aas has given me, im an ectomorph handicapped unfairly.

If possible could you look at my queery again and give me your views? i appreciate if you disagree with my pursuit. You are lucky, i will never have quads like yours, but it doesnt mean i should give up trying....

**Kale** · 08-22-2006, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by AlwaysLearning

Personally i have always reacted better to mild cycles, putting on 14 lbs retained, and little sides. The one time i pushed the limits i ended up with horrible acne and still only 14lbs retained.

I personally have made the following gains after cycles.

200 mg deca pw. 14lbs retained

200ml deca & 250mg sust pw. 16lbs retained

400lbs deca & 500mg sust. 14lbs retained. horriffic acne on my back. nausia. massive bloating.
(al 10-12 weeks)
15mg var and 200mg prop on a cutting cycle. weight held.

i constantly read ppl saying...many mg is good, or as little as 200mg/ml pw isnt enough. Why?

I am
6'3
210 lbs
10% bf.

im planning on doing a 200mg deca & 200mg enanthate with 30mg dbol pw 10 week cycle to jump my wight hopefully 10lbs. Many would say its not enough or too little....why?
where do ppl get their theories from that more is bigger....?

Dude if what you say is true you have already answered your own question. Why would you change the doses if you have had the gains you say you have ?

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-22-2006, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by AlwaysLearning

i apologise. all of the comments are helpful and thank you for answering.

Maybe i should have elaborated.
I suffer from psoriatic arthritus and was proscribed deca to boost the protein synthesis in my legs as i have unavoidable swelling in my knees, hence even if i COULD squat or leg press, my quad is told to shut down by the swelling in my knee. deca was proscribed by a specialist to stop me being top heavy. it worked to the degree that my legs grew.

I can never get rid of the arthritus, and so my genetics are against me. i was 10 stone...14lbs at 20...now im 210 at 24. what isnt impressive to you, is a lot for me, as the cards were stacked against me.

Without the deca, for its cussioning of my brittle joints and its aiding in protein synthesis id still be 140lbs...
i have been working for a previous female british champ, who has got my diet clean and good. but, whereas she is an expert on diet, she is a woman, and cannot aid my queeries on test...

i appreciate your thoughts, and points, but without the aid that aas has given me, im an ectomorph handicapped unfairly.

If possible could you look at my queery again and give me your views? i appreciate if you disagree with my pursuit. You are lucky, i will never have quads like yours, but it doesnt mean i should give up trying....

I feel for you in your situation... if you are gaining why change? up the doses only as needed. Feel lucky that is all you have to use.

**AlwaysLearning** · 08-22-2006, 07:49 AM

thank you

**IBdmfkr** · 08-22-2006, 08:13 AM

Goodluck to you Alwayslearning.. No one told you to give up I was wondering why you felt you needed AAS to grow. best of luck on your injuries and be safe.

BD

**one8nine** · 08-22-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by IBdmfkr

I have that gift. Your stats were all that was needed.. 6'3 210lbs at an unconfirmed 10% is naturally doable by even someone with the worst genetics.. don't get upset, it should inspire you to learn a bit on how to produce gains naturally to save you a lot of trouble/health risks in the future when you consistantly lean on Anabolics to fill that void. I'm a user myself and started too early/relied on anabolics too, that's why I try and help. but take it how you want bro.
Goodluck.

not really that just means he started at like 150... so maybe his dieat and training are good to have gained that much weight total.. its not like he did all thsoe cycles starting at 210 and went no where

**IBdmfkr** · 08-22-2006, 04:42 PM

You missed my point. Goodjob bro you look great, you should deff do another cycle, is that better?

**rock75** · 08-22-2006, 06:48 PM

the old saying "if it ain't broken, don't fix it."

**AlwaysLearning** · 08-28-2006, 06:53 AM

i understand where IBdmfkr is coming from.
Thank you all for your replies. one8nine is right, i was a lot smaller, so the cycles helped me.
I appreciate the advise given, thank you.

**Anon Poster** · 08-28-2006, 12:51 PM

Regarding your original question:

I've seen two different kinds of users on various message boards; low responders and high responders.

High responders can take 250mg of test per week and grow like a weed. But if they so much as touch a tab of Dbol they get back pumps, acne, and hairloss. If you even mention the words "tren " or "fina" around them they will get insomnia.

Low responders don't see much with less then 700mg of test per week. They sprinkle dbol on their food like it's some kind of seasoning. Their daily hormone intake probably exceeds the weight of their daily multi-vitamin.

This is why people ask for stats and cycle history, to see what has worked and build from there. Everyone responds differently and every regimen should be customized to the individual.