destined not use test

**darkwing** · 08-24-2006, 10:56 AM

I am very gyno prone. I have tried test cyp, test enth, deca , and tren . all of them, even low doses (200mg a week of test per week), give me gyno. The last attemt was test enth 250mg and nolva 20mg a day concurrently. 3 days post shot and i had a lump. I am currently trying letro to get rid of it. The question is am i destined not to use ant test, or am I stuck with things like winny and masteron ?
thanks for any input.

RA · 08-24-2006, 10:59 AM

I dont know how after 3 days you could have a lump..are you sure it wasnt forming before the cycle?

**Johny-too-small** · 08-24-2006, 11:03 AM

Have you tried using a SERM or AI along with nolva during your test cycles? You might want to start taking an anti-est. two weeks before you even begin your cycle. This will prime your blood levels.

In otherwords, you may want to research prevention rather than waiting until its too late and then trying to recover afterwords.

**darkwing** · 08-24-2006, 11:50 AM

I had gyno surgery a year and 1/2 ago after a tren cycle induced gyno. This time with the test I started with 20mg nolva, but no other anti e. I am sure it is gyno again. It is hard lump and very tender. I started letro on day 5 and have been on letro for 3 weeks. The lump is still there, bt the tenderness is getting less.

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-24-2006, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by darkwing

I had gyno surgery a year and 1/2 ago

Gyno surgery... Did they remove the breast tissue in one or both areas?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-24-2006, 12:14 PM

Why not run it with arimidex /liquidex or letro.

**darkwing** · 08-24-2006, 01:01 PM

I had surgery on both sides. Just a lump on the right side now. If I run again I think I would use letro, which I know is better than nolva for prevention. I thought I would be ok w/ 20mg of nolva. guess not. Just worried that since nolva didn't cut it after only 1 pin, then I might not be able to use test at all

**Swifto** · 08-24-2006, 01:05 PM

Use a powerful AI, Letro is warranted here. Nolva on hand. Use it at 20-40mg/ED if sides arise.

Stick to androgens that dont aromotase at all, or VERY lightly.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-24-2006, 01:11 PM

hey swifto when you become a monitor dude??

**Swifto** · 08-24-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

hey swifto when you become a monitor dude??

Today!

I knew a few days ago, but wasnt set up.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-24-2006, 01:16 PM

congrats bro you doing it for the UK brothas!!

**Swifto** · 08-24-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

congrats bro you doing it for the UK brothas!!

Yeah.

Roidattack and xtra are UK bro's too.

**Johny-too-small** · 08-24-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Today!

I knew a few days ago, but wasnt set up.

Dude, that's awesome! Congrats and thanks for all the help you've given me!

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-24-2006, 01:43 PM

Are you sure its not just scar tissue from the surgery?
That you've just noticed because your paranoid on cycle feeling your nips up 24/7.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-24-2006, 01:46 PM

"feeling your nips up 24/7" Woohoo Fnar fnar....

**Swifto** · 08-24-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Dude, that's awesome! Congrats and thanks for all the help you've given me!

Thats ok. I'm here to help.

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-24-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

Are you sure its not just scar tissue from the surgery?
That you've just noticed because your paranoid on cycle feeling your nips up 24/7.

Thats what I think! He said both sides and if the breast-tissue was removed nothing can cause gyno... not prog, not prolactin, not estrogen.

**darkwing** · 08-25-2006, 09:29 AM

Trust me I am sure it is gyno. gyno can come back even after sugery if they don't remove the glandular tissue. It is also only on the right side this time, and there is a visual difference between the right and left. The surgery was a year ago, and my nips were great until that 1 pin of test. I a have been on letro for 3 weeks and it has not gone down. How long before I should give up on the letro? 2 months?

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-25-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by darkwing

Trust me I am sure it is gyno. gyno can come back even after sugery if they don't remove the glandular tissue.

Why would the doctors not remove the mammary glands during GYNO surgery?

RA · 08-25-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Why would the doctors not remove the mammary glands during GYNO surgery?

Yeah, Ive heard theres two different surgeries..I would never go under the knife unless they were going to take the whole shooting match out..

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-25-2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Yeah, Ive heard theres two different surgeries..I would never go under the knife unless they were going to take the whole shooting match out..

Agreed... why would they leave anything in is beyond me.

RA · 08-25-2006, 01:43 PM

Price I think meso. To suck out the little bit in there is a in and out with a plastic surgeon. The other is more invasive.

**Mesomorphyl** · 08-25-2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Price I think meso. To suck out the little bit in there is a in and out with a plastic surgeon. The other is more invasive.

Price wouldnt matter for my mental well-being if I had bitch tits.

RA · 08-25-2006, 02:08 PM

Why Meso, you dont want to sport a nice bro or manzeer??

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-25-2006, 02:14 PM

RA · 08-25-2006, 02:26 PM

Friends dont let friends cycle without adex..

**Hellmaskbanned** · 08-25-2006, 02:34 PM

That doesnt even look to bad.....Your just a hyperchondriac. LOL

Is that your pic?

Not actual gyno pics......lets see some gland pics post surgery! cooked Eggs in a jar make my day!

RA · 08-25-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

That doesnt even look to bad.....Your just a hyperchondriac. LOL

Is that your pic?

Not actual gyno pics......lets see some gland pics post surgery! cooked Eggs in a jar make my day!

Sorry bro, I dont have boobs.

I was going to post some of those pics but it makes me want to hurl..