First time user: Questions / Opinions?

**jiujitsu** · 08-28-2006, 09:29 PM

Hi guys, looking for some advice. I have been doing some research and there is just too much info out there to narrow it down. I am hoping you all can help.

I fight MMA (mixed martial arts) and I am not looking for a bulking cycle. All I am trying to do is maybe gain about 5lbs of muscle, drop the rest of the fat I have and achieve noticable stregnth gains. I also wont mind getting a little ripped in the process. Due to various ankle and shoulder injuries from jiujitsu, I was told Anavar and Deca are the best for this type of results. I guess they stregnthen your joints rather than weaken like other anabolics.

What are your opinions on this and how easy is it to get good grade products?

Are there similar products I can use to get the same results?

What is the deal with the 'off cycle' stuff so I dont end up with manboobs?

Any and all insight sill be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

**SMAN12b** · 08-28-2006, 09:54 PM

WELCOME TO AR

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**Ammar** · 08-28-2006, 09:55 PM

First question is will you be tested for steroids by any kind of organization? If not then Deca would be a good choice stacked with some Test. Deca does help with joints but thats only because of the water weight mostly. But it stays in your system a long time so if you are being tested, I would stay away from it.

**jiujitsu** · 08-28-2006, 11:00 PM

Nope, not being tested at all and is acutally encouraged by nearly everyone in the sport.

AGE: 24
HEIGHT: 5'11
WEIGHT: 183 a little soft (I fight at 170, I need to be able to cut)
BF%: aprox 12%
DIET: Grilled chix, steak, brown rice, spinnache, broccoli, eggs, yougart, nuts
TRAINING: jiujitsu, mauythai kickboxing, cardio, boot camp type excercises. Dont lift often at all. Maybe once or twice a week. Bench, squat, curls.
PREVIOUS CYCLES: None
GOALS: Read first post
PCT KNOWLEDGE: none

I dont really want the water retention due to cutting weight and drinking A LOT of water. I didnt know Deca did that, so thank you. Are there different versions of test?

**cza82** · 08-29-2006, 04:24 AM

Deca and Anavar are both good steroids to begin with, as they are some of the safest. Anavar is a great steroid , it's cyclic ester (lactone) in the A ring makes aromatization not possible, which is something that seems important to you as you do not want extra weight added by water retention due to estrogens. Athough Anavar is not a great androgen (an androgen by definition is a precursor to estrogen) it stimulates the formation of phosphocreatine and therefore ATP synthesis. This in turn helps athletes which need burst of energy and strength. Deca durabolin or Nandrolone on the other hand is a progestin, so it does not aromatize due to the the lack of methyl group at C10, so the aromatase enzyme can't be activated. Deca though does have the enone functional group, so it is not a DHT derivative like Anavar is. This means that the 5 alpha-reductase enzyme will affect the molecule, and deactivate it. Unfortunatly, since Deca is a progestin it will promote water retention and gynaecomastia, which is not something you want.

Anyways, the biggest downside to Deca is that due to it's popularity, test have been designed to detect it's use for a long time after its use.

Anavar is a safe steroid with short half life and will give you lean gains, while making you lose fat.

Deca will give you more gains as it is a better anabolic promoter as it actually binds quite strongly to the androgen receptor.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 08-29-2006, 04:30 AM

I think whatever compound you use is not going to be that helpful if your only lifting once or twice a week. Maybe focus on diet and more weights to get the gains you seek and then think about AS.

**Duke of Earl** · 08-29-2006, 05:07 AM

Deca and Anavar are both good steroids to begin with, as they are some of the safest. Anavar is a great steroid , it's cyclic ester (lactone) in the A ring makes aromatization not possible, which is something that seems important to you as you do not want extra weight added by water retention due to estrogens. Athough Anavar is not a great androgen (an androgen by definition is a precursor to estrogen) it stimulates the formation of phosphocreatine and therefore ATP synthesis. This in turn helps athletes which need burst of energy and strength. Deca durabolin or Nandrolone on the other hand is a progestin, so it does not aromatize due to the the lack of methyl group at C10, so the aromatase enzyme can't be activated. Deca though does have the enone functional group, so it is not a DHT derivative like Anavar is. This means that the 5 alpha-reductase enzyme will affect the molecule, and deactivate it. Unfortunatly, since Deca is a progestin it will promote water retention and gynaecomastia, which is not something you want.

Anyways, the biggest downside to Deca is that due to it's popularity, test have been designed to detect it's use for a long time after its use.

Anavar is a safe steroid with short half life and will give you lean gains, while making you lose fat.

Deca will give you more gains as it is a better anabolic promoter as it actually binds quite strongly to the androgen receptor.

Nasty Cut & Paste !

do a search for deca only cycles ( ie deca with no test ) - they're not really recommended by most people

As to wether you need AAS only lifting once a week, I'm not really sure - I'd be tempted to say it's a waste of time, but if you need joint & tendon help as well as better recovery and anticatabolism then maybe AAS would help
How often do you train / spar etc ?

**jiujitsu** · 08-29-2006, 11:21 AM

I train / spar 5 days a week. Eventhough I'm not 'lifting' Im doing like 1000 pushups, 500 split squats, picking people up and running them down the mat, etc, all with a weeks time. Should i just focus on lifting? I usually lift light weight with high reps. Im all about speed and strength not lifting 500lbs.

Anavar is what I was told would be best. But it's nearly impossible for me to find. If anyone has any tips on that.

**cza82** · 08-29-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Duke of Earl

Nasty Cut & Paste !

HAHA, A BS in biochem and an MS in synthetic chemistry.....
Try to help someone out on a Juice board....
Get flamed by being told I C&P....on a juice board

!!!!
Great....
Thanks there Duke, just helped me realize I really don't belong on this board.

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-29-2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by cza82

HAHA, A BS in biochem and an MS in synthetic chemistry.....
Try to help someone out on a Juice board....
Get flamed by being told I C&P....on a juice board

!!!!
Great....
Thanks there Duke, just helped me realize I really don't belong on this board.

buddy this board is awsome, i have seen many others, i garentee you will not get the same genuine help from knowlagable people from any other board

**michaelmotorcycle** · 08-29-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by jiujitsu

Hi guys, looking for some advice. I have been doing some research and there is just too much info out there to narrow it down. I am hoping you all can help.

I fight MMA (mixed martial arts) and I am not looking for a bulking cycle. All I am trying to do is maybe gain about 5lbs of muscle, drop the rest of the fat I have and achieve noticable stregnth gains. I also wont mind getting a little ripped in the process. Due to various ankle and shoulder injuries from jiujitsu, I was told Anavar and Deca are the best for this type of results. I guess they stregnthen your joints rather than weaken like other anabolics.

What are your opinions on this and how easy is it to get good grade products?

Are there similar products I can use to get the same results?

What is the deal with the 'off cycle' stuff so I dont end up with manboobs?

Any and all insight sill be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

i would recomand a deca/test E cycle. Maybe kick start with some d-bols.

**SMAN12b** · 08-29-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by cza82

HAHA, A BS in biochem and an MS in synthetic chemistry.....
Try to help someone out on a Juice board....
Get flamed by being told I C&P....on a juice board

!!!!
Great....
Thanks there Duke, just helped me realize I really don't belong on this board.

Don't let the views of one member make you leave. There is a bunchof testosterone floating around here, and most members are just cautious of new members who come in with knowledge....kind of like you have to proove yourself to earn respect.

Consider it your initiation in the AR family .....we are all dysfuntional....lolol

WELCOME TO AR
Stick around

**Duke of Earl** · 08-29-2006, 02:29 PM

HAHA, A BS in biochem and an MS in synthetic chemistry.....
Try to help someone out on a Juice board....
Get flamed by being told I C&P....on a juice board !!!!
Great....
Thanks there Duke, just helped me realize I really don't belong on this board.

Huge Apologies & snap ! ( well kinda - I have a BSc in pharmacology & biochem )

I guess what I should have said was this guy is a clearly a new to juice & bombarding him with talk of cyclic esters, c10 methyl groups and all that cool stuff we love isn't really gonna help him at this stage......also deca only for a first cycle ain't such a great idea in my book...........

Anyhow I know you were trying to help & I did jump to the wrong conclusion so, again, apologies & don't leave - this is a cool board ( well except for me :-))

peace

**Duke of Earl** · 08-29-2006, 02:29 PM

er.....sorry - double posted, but cant work out how to delete this one..>?
dayum this thread is making me look dumber by the minute !

**IIIIIIIIIIII** · 08-29-2006, 02:36 PM

Id say.. if you are training like you should and eating like u should I wouldnt worry too much about AAS, perhaps so test for strength gains.. but personally i wuld think if your not lifting too much then you should avoid AAS especially since your not that knowledgeable when it comes to it.

**jiujitsu** · 08-29-2006, 08:17 PM

Im just looking for strength gains, endurance and the power to be more explosive. I am sure if you understand the sport you guys know what we do for a training regiment. Its pretty brutal and if you end up tired in the cage you will lose. I need the extra strgnth and endurance without gaining weight. That is my main purpose behind this. Im not trying to body build or get huge. More toned than anything else.