Cutiing

**Dave22** · 09-09-2006, 06:09 PM

Help guys im new. This is my first cycle im 5'11 bf 12% and i weigh 184. I used to weigh 280 of all fat but lost it now im ready to gain some strength but mainly cut and tone up.

week 1-16 test e 500/week
week 1-16 EQ 400/week

i was thinking of taking 250 of deca also but what is your guys suggestions about that and also clen .

**lucabratzi** · 09-09-2006, 06:16 PM

whats ur cycle history...if ur takin eq then i wouldnt take the deca ..

**Sasso09** · 09-09-2006, 06:16 PM

age and training experience in years would be a little helpful to evaluate you, and pictures.... but i'd say as a first cycle you don't want to stack 3 agents. i would just stick with a 10-12 week test cycle for starters, if anything.

**SMAN12b** · 09-09-2006, 06:58 PM

WELCOME TO AR

answer the green questions below and we cna better help you. 16 weeks is a little long for beginners

**Dave22** · 09-09-2006, 09:11 PM

this is my first cycle, training hard for 4 years thats how i lost all the weight. Goals are to get more muscular because you really cant see any shape with me since i lost so much weight. I have the pct down my friend got letro nolva and clomid for me. About the 12 week cycle EQ doesnt kick in until then so i know i have to run that for at least 15 weeks...i did my research.

**Dave22** · 09-09-2006, 09:12 PM

im 23 by the way

**SMAN12b** · 09-09-2006, 09:16 PM

well its fine, we like to only recomend ONE compound for a first cycle so you can learn how your body reacts to it for future cycles. but if you are set on using both, you should be fine.

As you already know, diet will dictate your gains

Good luck

**Dave22** · 09-09-2006, 09:23 PM

yes i have my diet down pat...so i should stick to these 2 and not take the deca . thanks alot sman ill keep u posted

**SMAN12b** · 09-09-2006, 09:32 PM

Save the deca for the next cycle.

Clen can be used before or after the cycle to help, but I wouldnt' waste it during cycle.

**Dave22** · 09-09-2006, 10:17 PM

I was thinking about that with the pct. How much should i run it at and how long? i know the 2 weeks on 2 off

**taiboxa** · 09-11-2006, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Dave22

I was thinking about that with the pct. How much should i run it at and how long? i know the 2 weeks on 2 off

in all honesty u can run clen 2on 2 off from the start of cycle to end of pct if ur heart desires but sman said it DIET is everything and u might just be wasting ur $$n'Time.

if somenoe hasnt alreayd stated u need to run testE 1week longer than EQ to align ur pct start times properly