What exactly is "Priming" the body?

[Aliceinchains]

What is this "Priming" that is done before a cycle?

[Warrior]

At least 6 weeks of preparing the body to become extra sensitive to anabolism by sensitizing it to androgens, insulin , thyroid, other growth-related hormones, increased caloric intake and a mass/strength training stimulis. Priming is done via training, diet and supplements/drugs.

From my interpretation (with help from Marcus):

Training is with short rest interval, high intensity, hit-the-weights and puke type days. Super and Giantsets are used to completely deplete the muscles during a CKD depletion phase - which leads into diet...

Diet is best structured with a Cyclic Keto Diet (CKD). The goal is not nescessarily weight loss but to sensitize the body to food, insulin, leptin and other hormones. You rotate your carbohydrate intake using periods of very low carbs followed by 24-48 hours carb loads. Don't stay keto for more than 4-5 days to minimize muscle wasteing during the priming.

Supplements and Drugs should be orientated to be synergistic with diet and training. Multivitamins/minerals help to make up nutritional defeciencies as well as support metabolism. B12 can help with appetite at key times. Many other supplements are more goal-orientated. Low-dose Growth hormone helps during the priming phase (Marcus can expand on that). Anything that might desensitize you to insulin should be avoided.

Marcus, help me expand on this. Maximus, I know you have something further to add from your logs...

[Aliceinchains]

Interesting.

[Warrior]

Interesting.

Trust me, this thread has the potential to get really interesting...

[DarKOmeN]

a few are also including anti e"s prior 2 cycle

[IBdmfkr]

Or you could just read this thread so Marcus doesn't have to rewrite everything he's already stated.

The Prime explained before cycling..

[Warrior]

Or you could just read this thread so Marcus doesn't have to rewrite everything he's already stated.

The Prime explained before cycling..

Damn, I missed that discussion...

[Prada]

Warrior can you elaborate on the training part? I understand what you mean but why do you recommend this type of training? What's the scientific explanation of training in a high intensity/short interval during the priming phase.
Also how is the transition phase from the CKD and training style once you commence the AAS?

[Brie]

the search button is an amazing thing

[marcus300]

The prime is a very valuable tool to have for any cycle-
This process creates a very anabolic environment so muscle tissue can grow at a fast rate when you start a cycle, there are plenty of ways this process can be done, When the prime is done correctly you will not believe how quickly the muscle gains come on straight from the start of any cycle,

You simply diet down slowly and lose fat, just like you do before a comp, alot of BB's who have done comps will understand this process and how much can be obtained at this special stage, Dorain was a big believer in this process and would be straight back into the gym after big shows taking advantage of this valuable stage.

I have tried many different ways with my own body to find out which one suits me better and i prefer to cycle my carbs 3 low 1 high, this will create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, the muscle receptors get highly excitable and upgrade and able to accept more glucose and because glucose levels are not full in the muscle the result is more deposited into the muscle when you start the cycle and increase the food,this environment builds muscle tissue very quickly, if this is done correctly and timed right when you start the cycle, growth is amazing, i feel priming is a must when considering any cycle but it does work and is ideal towards short cycling.

With the carb prime rotation process i follow 3 days low carbs(40% less than normal) 1 day high (15% higher than normal) You must have a basic stable diet which you have ran for afew wks before doing such a process, i feel this isn't to harsh on your muscle tissue and the 1 high carb day offsets any potential metabolic slowdown, which is extremely usefull in laying down metabolic boosting muscle or at least saving it. if this process is not done right you will lose muscle tissue so carefull planning is needed to hold on to all the muscle gains and only fat loss and putting your body into the correct environment is achieved, when any kind of priming is done an increase in protein/aminos acids will help to maintain the current muscle tissue, also GH would benefit in helping this process, the high carb/low carb rotational prime diet also upgrades the receptors cites on muscle tissue for insulin , this changes the body's ability to store carbs as glycogen in muscle tissue rather than fat. The priming works far better if its done over a longer period of time, your after burning unwanted body fat and maintaining muscle tissue and a slow reduction in carbs towards the cycle start, will create an ideal environment for huge muscle gains. Also the last 5 days to the run up to the start of the cycle should be low carbs (40%).

Another way of priming is the slow reduction of carbs within your diet over 6-8 weeks or longer, make sure protein is increased in any of the priming methods so muscle loss is stopped or at least kept to a minimum, when ever the prime is done it creates an environment for muscle tissue to grow very quickly so when you do start your cycle all this coupled with a AAS and all the other compounds you use and the increase in food intake makes this an ideal environment for muscle tissue to grow and huge tissue gains are experienced.

The idea is to create an environment,and you simple take advantage of the condition and use it to spring board into a cycle, there are certain things what must be in place so you dont receive muscle tissue loss before the cycle but when its done correctly the gains are amazing, its a excellent tool to have on any cycle.I feel alot of newbies think that AAS is the whole key to building the perfect body but its not, its just one tool for the job there are many other things what come into play to help the process of building muscle and priming is one of them.

[marcus300]

The prime is something what no serious bodybuilder can miss out on, when i first came to this board loads of people were asking me what it was because i would always mention it in posts, further down the line alot of people have learnt something very valuable, trust me this priming if done correctly can produce some gains what you have never seen before,

I class the priming as part of the first stage of my cycle, when the body is ready and you have created a very anabolic environment you hit it with the correct compounds and designed cycle, this is worked out by your cycle history and training experience, so after the prime you hit the cycle and the new way of training which is very very intense infact mentally you can only do this type of training for a few weeks anyway its very hard on the body, its more or less heavy drop sets to total failure,

So when the body as been primed you hit the gear then you hit the training and the result is huge muscle tissue gains in a short period this is why you normally do the prime before a short cycle so you get the full benefit out of the body and cycle,

The body can not continue to grow for wks on end it doesn't work like that, when we are baby's and teenagers we grow in growth bursts only for a few wks normally 2-3 wks then it levels off and then when the time is right it grows again, this is what you do here you create that environment so the body cant do anything else except grow,

I have a ton of knowledge on this subject and research what Ive done myself with many top bb's, there is loads more to talk about like what happens on the cycle and what should the cycle look like and in depth tricks of priming so muscle wastage is very little or none,

Dorian use to use this system to springboard himself into growth from the Mr O and many years he put on up to 20-30lbs some yrs, this process is the most valuable thing you will ever learn about building muscle tissue, i have had some unreal results from many people who have done this correctly, hit the body with what it needs for growth and couple this with the type of training and the correct prime and you will see results what will amaze you,

[doctadank]

The prime is something what no serious bodybuilder can miss out on, when i first came to this board loads of people were asking me what it was because i would always mention it in posts, further down the line alot of people have learnt something very valuable, trust me this priming if done correctly can produce some gains what you have never seen before,

I class the priming as part of the first stage of my cycle, when the body is ready and you have created a very anabolic environment you hit it with the correct compounds and designed cycle, this is worked out by your cycle history and training experience, so after the prime you hit the cycle and the new way of training which is very very intense infact mentally you can only do this type of training for a few weeks anyway its very hard on the body, its more or less heavy drop sets to total failure,

So when the body as been primed you hit the gear then you hit the training and the result is huge muscle tissue gains in a short period this is why you normally do the prime before a short cycle so you get the full benefit out of the body and cycle,

The body can not continue to grow for wks on end it doesn't work like that, when we are baby's and teenagers we grow in growth bursts only for a few wks normally 2-3 wks then it levels off and then when the time is right it grows again, this is what you do here you create that environment so the body cant do anything else except grow,

I have a ton of knowledge on this subject and research what Ive done myself with many top bb's, there is loads more to talk about like what happens on the cycle and what should the cycle look like and in depth tricks of priming so muscle wastage is very little or none,

Dorian use to use this system to springboard himself into growth from the Mr O and many years he put on up to 20-30lbs some yrs, this process is the most valuable thing you will ever learn about building muscle tissue, i have had some unreal results from many people who have done this correctly, hit the body with what it needs for growth and couple this with the type of training and the correct prime and you will see results what will amaze you,

where can i learn more about "priming" the body so to speak. Like what type of training and diet needs to be in place (3low 1 hi). thanks

[Aliceinchains]

Thanks, Marcus, will check that other thread as well.

[Warrior]

Warrior can you elaborate on the training part? I understand what you mean but why do you recommend this type of training? What's the scientific explanation of training in a high intensity/short interval during the priming phase.

Basically, training in a way that build high levels of lactate can do two things: it helps sensitize the muscles to nutriion and studies show it creates endogenous GH spikes - both being paramount to proper priming.

Also how is the transition phase from the CKD and training style once you commence the AAS?

What do you mean by, "how is the transition?"

Give me a little time and I will post my next training/diet outline... it should show you more on this.

[Warrior]

Alright gents... attached is my next move...

[marcus300]

When you are priming you dont do intense training sessions, you do what maintains your body, it will be to harsh on the body to do that in the prime phase, its done when you start the cycle, everything is hit all at once, this type of training you cant do properly in the priming phase and cycle phase,

[Warrior]

When you are priming you dont do intense training sessions, you do what maintains your body, it will be to harsh on the body to do that in the prime phase, its done when you start the cycle, everything is hit all at once, this type of training you cant do properly in the priming phase and cycle phase,

You don't agree with the pdf? I set it up using GBC during priming and doggcrapp during growth.

[marcus300]

You don't agree with the pdf? I set it up using GBC during priming and doggcrapp during growth.

Ive tried alot of methods of training during the priming phase and the body and we have found the best is just to do what the body is use to maintain the mass and strength, nothing to tasking at all,

This phase is only to create the environment for the body to grow for when you start the cycle and not for it to be under pressure at all, the growth what the body takes on only comes for a few weeks so you must build up to this, dont do anything what the body isn't use to except cycle the carbs but not to deplete to much,

Then when you start the cycle and the intense training the body is screaming for growth and it comes on quick,

The training when the cycle starts should be very intense the kind of training what you can only keep up for a number of wks, i prefer heavy dropsets to total failure but there again are many,

I am not saying it wont work it will ive seen it and tried it many times all am saying is the body responds alot better if the training isn't tasking just maintenance, just like the diet should be maintenance to keep you at the same weight and you work of this diet for the prime 40% 3-5 days low carbs 15% 1 day high carbs both are taken of the maintenance diet.

[svarturer]

damn warrior you choose to makes things complicated

your PDF is psycho

[Warrior]

Ive tried alot of methods of training during the priming phase and the body and we have found the best is just to do what the body is use to maintain the mass and strength, nothing to tasking at all,

This phase is only to create the environment for the body to grow for when you start the cycle and not for it to be under pressure at all, the growth what the body takes on only comes for a few weeks so you must build up to this, dont do anything what the body isn't use to except cycle the carbs but not to deplete to much,

Then when you start the cycle and the intense training the body is screaming for growth and it comes on quick,

The training when the cycle starts should be very intense the kind of training what you can only keep up for a number of wks, i prefer heavy dropsets to total failure but there again are many,

I am not saying it wont work it will ive seen it and tried it many times all am saying is the body responds alot better if the training isn't tasking just maintenance, just like the diet should be maintenance to keep you at the same weight and you work of this diet for the prime 40% 3-5 days low carbs 15% 1 day high carbs both are taken of the maintenance diet.

My maintenance routine is an abbreviated free weight split... probably closer to a DoggCrapp outline than a German Body Comp split.

Sounds like what you are saying is to be very careful not to get overtrained during the prime... simply maintain and stay motivated - or even get thirsty for more.

Nonetheless, I am still leaning toward trying it like I have it written out. You have mentioned low dose GH being good for primers and I know the heavy lactate I can get from GBC burns is good for endogenous GH release. Plus, the GBC with CKD really gets me sensitive to caloric shifts and pumps... probably a good sign of getting primed.

The doggcrapp split during the growth phase can be more intense than the GBC split - just in another way. GBC is more endurance and working the muscle as a whole. Doggcrapp has a lot of focus on limit strength while using rest-pause sets. Both programs get me quite sore.

I don't know... either way will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[marcus300]

My maintenance routine is an abbreviated free weight split... probably closer to a DoggCrapp outline than a German Body Comp split.

Sounds like what you are saying is to be very careful not to get overtrained during the prime... simply maintain and stay motivated - or even get thirsty for more.
Nonetheless, I am still leaning toward trying it like I have it written out. You have mentioned low dose GH being good for primers and I know the heavy lactate I can get from GBC burns is good for endogenous GH release. Plus, the GBC with CKD really gets me sensitive to caloric shifts and pumps... probably a good sign of getting primed.

The doggcrapp split during the growth phase can be more intense than the GBC split - just in another way. GBC is more endurance and working the muscle as a whole. Doggcrapp has a lot of focus on limit strength while using rest-pause sets. Both programs get me quite sore.

I don't know... either way will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Exactly the above in bold is very true, caution as to be taken,

GH at a low dose is excellent for the prime but like i said i wouldn't do GBC to help release because of the strain on the body, i would do a maintenance training and prime with a low dose gh then hit it all at once and increase the gh to around 10ius ED,

With one study we did gh at 10ius 4 on 4 off throughout the heavy short cycle after the prime and it was really strange we jumped in weight and mass on the 4 days on gh and we stayed the same while we had 4 off, this happened throughout the cycle while we were doing 4on 4 off system,

[Prada]

Ahh I now understand. Marcus' and warrior's conversation answered my question