Best Testosterone w/ the least water-retention???

[TuxAndrews]

What is the best test to use along w/ winstrol ...goals are to put on some size...but mainly get rid of all body fat and really tighten up.


please help....im about 6'3" 230lbs....15-17% bodyfat....just reallywant to tighten up!

[cmax]

Test-E is what I would pick over Test-Prop (I just don't like Prop, but it has less water retention than Test-E). I am thinking about doing a similar cycle sometime soon.

How were you planning on doing your doses?

[orton4]

i think test prop has the least water retention

[V_Vandetta]

What is the best test to use along w/ winstrol ...goals are to put on some size...but mainly get rid of all body fat and really tighten up.


please help....im about 6'3" 230lbs....15-17% bodyfat....just reallywant to tighten up!

A good diet is the only thing that losses body fat bro AAS helps with many things .......... no AAS compound will give you abs Only DIET AND CARDIEO... .............. but if I were you I would work on my diet first..

SO IMO 17% is way to high to even think about AAS DIET DIET and MORE DIET

[getpumped24]

AAS doesn't get rid of fat! you just need diet and cardio. longer ester w/an AI would keep bloat down.

[Tren Bull]

imo, a great cutting stack would be test prop, tren acetate and winstrol depot. but honestly, its best to eat a lean bulk diet when on gear, and save the cutting for after your cycle ends.

[Gunns420]

I went in at 16% bf on my first cycle, got flamed for it- but here's what happened. I was 5'9, 201 lbs training on/off 5 years. 25 years old.

I did:

Test E 500mg weeks 1-12
Winny @ 75mg ed 9-12

nolvadex & clomid for PCT

I HAD A VERY STRICT DIET AND DID TONS OF CARDIO. 3750 cals- 350+G protein

I went up to 223 lbs and tested at 12% bf. Bloat was not really an issue- I did lose 6 lbs in 10 weeks since the cycle, mainly due to diet and still cutting by bf% down. I am going to run the same cycle but add Prop weeks 1-5 to kickstart and boost the Winny to 100mg ed for 6 weeks starting in November.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I went in at 16% bf on my first cycle, got flamed for it- but here's what happened. I was 5'9, 201 lbs training on/off 5 years. 25 years old.

I did:

Test E 500mg weeks 1-12
Winny @ 75mg ed 9-12

nolvadex & clomid for PCT

I HAD A VERY STRICT DIET AND DID TONS OF CARDIO. 3750 cals- 350+G protein

I went up to 223 lbs and tested at 12% bf. Bloat was not really an issue- I did lose 6 lbs in 10 weeks since the cycle, mainly due to diet and still cutting by bf% down. I am going to run the same cycle but add Prop weeks 1-5 to kickstart and boost the Winny to 100mg ed for 6 weeks starting in November.

So you gained over 30lbs of muscle....I find that hard to believe.

+ while losing fat!

No way in hell.

[mick-g]

A good prop or ICN and Iranian for a long ester enathate.

[Bigmax]

So you gained over 30lbs of muscle....I find that hard to believe.

Bro how do figure 30lbs???..he went from 201 to 223....my math says he gained 22 pounds then lost some....Better pull your calculator out bro.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Bro how do figure 30lbs???..he went from 201 to 223....my math says he gained 22 pounds then lost some....Better pull your calculator out bro.

Was 16% BF before cycle after 12% BF on top of the 22lb weight increase.

[Vegas67]

Why does everyone feel that test E or cyp puts on more water than test prop?

[Snrf]

his lean weight at 201 /16% would be around 169. his lean weight at 223/12% would be around 196 so he does claim to have put on 28 lbs of muscle while losing fat..hellmask is about right.

[Gunns420]

his lean weight at 201 /16% would be around 169. his lean weight at 223/12% would be around 196 so he does claim to have put on 28 lbs of muscle while losing fat..hellmask is about right.

I'd love to find out how you figure this out. I know people who are 275 5% bf. I never claimed all the weight gained was muscle- I stated that I did lots of cardio and lost weight since the cycle. My father is A pediatrician- and I have both ny test levels and bf% checked regularly. Maybe I should of stated I didnt get my bf% checked again until 5 weeks after cycle- during heavy cardio and cutting with diet. And it is what I said it is. I am not trying to "impress" anyone, and you really shouldnt flame people with ridiculous numbers SNRFMASTER because you sond like an idiot.

[Hellmaskbanned]

I'd love to find out how you figure this out. I know people who are 275 5% bf. I never claimed all the weight gained was muscle- I stated that I did lots of cardio and lost weight since the cycle. My father is A pediatrician- and I have both ny test levels and bf% checked regularly. Maybe I should of stated I didnt get my bf% checked again until 5 weeks after cycle- during heavy cardio and cutting with diet. And it is what I said it is. I am not trying to "impress" anyone, and you really shouldnt flame people with ridiculous numbers SNRFMASTER because you sond like an idiot.

Your the idiot.

You obviously don't know what someones lean weight is, do you?
He did the math of how many pounds of fat per percent BF.
You are uneducated and getting your panties in a wad for nothing.

[Snrf]

Alright ass, how did I flame you?

I said you claimed to have put on 28 pounds of muscle. I didn't say you were lying-- I didnt say anything negative. All I did was clarify the situation slightly. You're obviously the idiot who can't calculate someones fat free mass. jackass.

[pit_bully]

IMO as long as I am running an anti-e water retention is never a problem for me. I started getting moon-face once then hit the liqui-dex and I was fine within a week or so. Ive did prop, Sust, Test E. Dont matter with anti-e IMHO

[twiney]

The best test with no water is andriol ,and I mean no water.It`s the best test I like,very safe with good results.

For cutting it`s just the best,it`s like lean gains not like other test.In spain it`s very cheap.The gains stick with you.