Best Anti-Catabolic... PERIOD.

**Tommy Boy** · 10-03-2006, 07:39 PM

Other than bridging...and GDMF Clen ... are there any new anti-catabolics out there?
DON'T GET INTO THE CLEN THING... PLEASE.
Besides Clen. Besides EAT MORE. Besides good pct. Besides lift with more intensity... [B]
NO F***ing shit. I'm talkin' about chemicals DUDES!!![/B

**Slowhand** · 10-03-2006, 08:17 PM

igf?

**vein-x** · 10-03-2006, 08:20 PM

GH - but you'll pay out the ass for good doses...

(...of course, with all the rumors of new chinese shit on the market now, i guess even the holy Human Growth Hormone is now available to everyone)

*affordable

**fitnessNY** · 10-03-2006, 08:28 PM

Proviron -- used it in my pct and it worked great.

**DHew** · 10-03-2006, 09:31 PM

fitness did it help with pct moods?

**stupidhippo** · 10-03-2006, 10:36 PM

yeah, AAS are pretty anti-catabolic.

**Tommy Boy** · 10-04-2006, 05:21 PM

Can you answer just the question?

I'm taking about, adex, nolva, letro, coffee, etc.

What's your experience with keeping water bloat down while on Deca , Or Drol.

**elite2kr** · 10-04-2006, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tommy Boy

Can you answer just the question?

I'm taking about, adex, nolva, letro, coffee, etc.

What's your experience with keeping water bloat down while on Deca, Or Drol.

Im not sure, but coffee spikes cortisol due to the caffine.

Nolva and letro supress natural hgh.

RA · 10-04-2006, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Slowhand

igf?

yassir

**V_Vandetta** · 10-04-2006, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tommy Boy

Can you answer just the question?

I'm taking about, adex, nolva, letro, coffee, etc.

What's your experience with keeping water bloat down while on Deca, Or Drol.

WOW bro some times a quick fix is not the answer you can become catabolic with just paln dieting not on any AAS compound or Stim..... and when keytone levels are high that's what feed's off muscle tissue .... So the best anti -catabolic substance IS FOOD knowing your body Is key bro....

thats why IT IS SO IMPORTANT to know your body It is quess work for a long time .... like when on cycle and dieting checking Blood glucose levels also checking BP and yes checking you keytons several times a day .... thats why i have always said that keeping loggs is key Bro what diet did what .... with what AAS what training scheme .... what was this and that .. and before long Quess what you can dial IN WITH OUT becoming catabolic.. thus keeping them hard earned gains

As for water bloat That is a simple research question with adex or letro letro is way stroger and what A'I you run would depend on several factors

also let me add this no matter what compound you use like IGF , clen ANYTHING IT only aids in stopping catabolic effects does not cure it SO DIET AND FOOD IS THE OVER ALL KEY

**lightwaytbaby** · 10-04-2006, 06:39 PM

IGF-1 LR3, enough said.

**goose** · 10-04-2006, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by V_Vandetta

WOW bro some times a quick fix is not the answer you can become catabolic with just paln dieting not on any AAS compound or Stim..... and when keytone levels are high that's what feed's off muscle tissue .... So the best anti -catabolic substance IS FOOD knowing your body Is key bro....

thats why IT IS SO IMPORTANT to know your body It is quess work for a long time .... like when on cycle and dieting checking Blood glucose levels also checking BP and yes checking you keytons several times a day .... thats why i have always said that keeping loggs is key Bro what diet did what .... with what AAS what training scheme .... what was this and that .. and before long Quess what you can dial IN WITH OUT becoming catabolic.. thus keeping them hard earned gains

As for water bloat That is a simple research question with adex or letro letro is way stroger and what A'I you run would depend on several factors

also let me add this no matter what compound you use like IGF , clen ANYTHING IT only aids in stopping catabolic effects does not cure it SO DIET AND FOOD IS THE OVER ALL KEY

This guy knows his stuff.Bread And Butter Of How To Maintain Gains is dependant on a number of things....And guess what it does not involve drugs.
People look for the easy answers.We need to go to basics.

1) Keep protein intake high

2) Keep calories high (clean if possible to avoid fat gain)

3) Lower training volume somewhat, but dont stop working out, maybe take an extra day or so off the first few weeks of post cycle

4) Still stick with low reps high weight and fairly low volume

5) Creatine, 5-10g per day

6) Glutamine 10-20g per day

7) Avoid alcohol

8) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

9) Avoid stress, you want to keep cortisol to a minimum post cycle.

10) Control cortisol with phosphatidylserine , 800-1200 mg per day roughly reduces cortisol levels by 30-45 % , then add in 2-5 gms of vit c

11/Take ZMA on a nightly basis. This difference is prob minor but isn't a bad idea as I find I get a better night sleep on it, and insufficient zinc in one's diet can cause low testosterone levels .

Lift heavy and follow these guides and holding muscle after PCT is possible.I find that when a cycle is over is the most interesting and important aspect.This is when the real men shine.

**Tommy Boy** · 10-05-2006, 09:37 AM

I love you guys

**Tommy Boy** · 10-05-2006, 09:42 AM

Adex would have sufficed as the preferred choice.

It's good to reinforce the basics of diet, sleep, lift hard and heavy, etc.
Thanks.

**sheltonn** · 10-05-2006, 09:52 AM

Very nice goose. Why didn't you post this during my last cycle. I just figured out eating every 2 hours - the hard way.

I also didn't know what to do differently with my workouts while my body was adjusting to normal test levels.

Thanks so much.

Originally Posted by goose4

This guy knows his stuff.Bread And Butter Of How To Maintain Gains is dependant on a number of things....And guess what it does not involve drugs.
People look for the easy answers.We need to go to basics.

1) Keep protein intake high

2) Keep calories high (clean if possible to avoid fat gain)

3) Lower training volume somewhat, but dont stop working out, maybe take an extra day or so off the first few weeks of post cycle

4) Still stick with low reps high weight and fairly low volume

5) Creatine, 5-10g per day

6) Glutamine 10-20g per day

7) Avoid alcohol

8) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

9) Avoid stress, you want to keep cortisol to a minimum post cycle.

10) Control cortisol with phosphatidylserine , 800-1200 mg per day roughly reduces cortisol levels by 30-45 % , then add in 2-5 gms of vit c

11/Take ZMA on a nightly basis. This difference is prob minor but isn't a bad idea as I find I get a better night sleep on it, and insufficient zinc in one's diet can cause low testosterone levels .

Lift heavy and follow these guides and holding muscle after PCT is possible.I find that when a cycle is over is the most interesting and important aspect.This is when the real men shine.

**death45456** · 10-05-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by vein-x

GH - but you'll pay out the ass for good doses...

(...of course, with all the rumors of new chinese shit on the market now, i guess even the holy Human Growth Hormone is now available to everyone)

*affordable

just find a manufacturer(not trader) in china..0.85/iu for bluetops, 1.10/iu for hygetropin.

**T3/T4 GSR** · 10-05-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

8) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

While this would be great I have no idea how anyone with a job can do this. If I tried eatting anytime but lunch my boss would not be to happy.

**Surrender** · 10-05-2006, 06:20 PM

Keep the calories up when coming off will be the absolute best thing you can do...

**smiler** · 10-05-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by T3/T4 GSR

While this would be great I have no idea how anyone with a job can do this. If I tried eatting anytime but lunch my boss would not be to happy.

bro, no need to sit down to a 5 couse meal.....toss a few protein bars in your pocket, make a few shakes b 4 work....it'really not that hard

**Tommy Boy** · 10-06-2006, 07:59 AM

everything you have suggested, EXCEPT add any kind of chemical. i.e Ldex, Proviron , Adex, etc. F**k it , I may just stay on full time and bridge.
Being OFF at 50 REALLY has an impact. This is NOT psycological.

SVTMuscle* · 10-06-2006, 09:21 AM

Take one for the team and try out GHRP-6 and let us know how it works

**Timm1704** · 10-06-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

This guy knows his stuff.Bread And Butter Of How To Maintain Gains is dependant on a number of things....And guess what it does not involve drugs.
People look for the easy answers.We need to go to basics.

1) Keep protein intake high

2) Keep calories high (clean if possible to avoid fat gain)

3) Lower training volume somewhat, but dont stop working out, maybe take an extra day or so off the first few weeks of post cycle

4) Still stick with low reps high weight and fairly low volume

5) Creatine, 5-10g per day

6) Glutamine 10-20g per day

7) Avoid alcohol

8) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

9) Avoid stress, you want to keep cortisol to a minimum post cycle.

10) Control cortisol with phosphatidylserine , 800-1200 mg per day roughly reduces cortisol levels by 30-45 % , then add in 2-5 gms of vit c

11/Take ZMA on a nightly basis. This difference is prob minor but isn't a bad idea as I find I get a better night sleep on it, and insufficient zinc in one's diet can cause low testosterone levels .

Lift heavy and follow these guides and holding muscle after PCT is possible.I find that when a cycle is over is the most interesting and important aspect.This is when the real men shine.

werd! ive never lost muscle gains post cycle

**Tommy Boy** · 10-06-2006, 02:05 PM

Are you guys telling me that you can keep ALL you heavy lifting max's and body weight, by diet and the above mentioned curriculum? I just don't believe it. I've lost 30 pounds on my bench max, 50 on squats, everything is down. I've done all the things you prescribed above...Is it possibly my old age? (50) SHIT !!!

RA · 10-06-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Timm1704

werd! ive never lost muscle gains post cycle

Are you serious. You dont lose anything?

RA · 10-06-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tommy Boy

Are you guys telling me that you can keep ALL you heavy lifting max's and body weight, by diet and the above mentioned curriculum? I just don't believe it. I've lost 30 pounds on my bench max, 50 on squats, everything is down. I've done all the things you prescribed above...Is it possibly my old age? (50) SHIT !!!

Have you tried IGF?

**Tommy Boy** · 10-06-2006, 02:20 PM

I was benching 300+ , not bad for 50, and feeling great. Tuesday I couldn't get 275 more than twice. Felt like my triceps were gonna give out.
Really frustrating. That's why I'm thinking about just bridging.
What advantage does igf offer?