help - I need more mass

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 06:48 PM

6'6.5 225lbs 24yo noobie

Most recent cycle March 06

Test E 500mg / week
EQ 600 mg / week
winny 100mg eod 6 weeks
never did pct

I was 6.65 245lb solid after that cycle

Prior to this cycle:
I messed around with winny and tren in college, but was taking advice from my friends.

What should I take to get back up to 245 or 250 and increase my thighs?

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 06:56 PM

You can take some chicken and oats...

but seriously i'm assuming you're diet is poor i could be wrong.

WOw just read you never did pct. YOU honestly first need to take

1) How to use the search function The Basics of Steroids - For the NEWBIES

2) you only want size in your quads? this can be done through heavy squats, leg press etc..

3) take a look at the bulking sticky

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 06:58 PM

2 questions-

How do i delete that other thread...

and

Is is better to squat with heavy weight low reps, or moderate weight and get the most blood into the muscle you can. I heard both sides

**cfiler** · 10-26-2006, 06:59 PM

Doing no pct really hurt your last cycle.

I'd think with a basic cycle, you should have no problem reaching that weight.

Post up a suggestion, and we'll evaluate it.

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:04 PM

Heres my diet...

7am- Low fat yogurt, 2 pop tarts, banana, Protein shake
10am - 5 eggs scrambled, 2 bagles with cream cheese
2pm - two cans tuna, 4 slices wheat bread, juice or water
workout at 530-7
730pm- protein shake
830pm 8oz chicken breast, rice , spaghetti, baken potato, or veggies
10pm protein shake

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:06 PM

I agree about no pct hurting my last cycle.

I have learned my lesson...

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:11 PM

From what I have read all cycles should have some type of Test mixed in

I am thinking about Propionate this time around.

In addition to that, some Eq and Winny.

I noticed that last time I used EQ I could eat 24/7

I like the winny becaues of the recovery and lean mm effects.

I am interested in Tren friends have told me that it makes your strong and hard.

Any comments or advice....

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 07:14 PM

okay i dont think you need to cycle yet your diet in one word is trash.. bro your eating pop -tarts!

I will help but hold off on the cycle imo

**abrick** · 10-26-2006, 07:15 PM

squats and deadlifts and bench of course. Deadlifts really hurt so damn good!

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:20 PM

yeah i know pop tarts suck... but im not a morning person... what can i say they are a quick fix... How many calories should i be eating to put htis weight on? I couldnt tell you my metabolic rate but i know its high because i have never had bf% over 15%. Im thinking that im around 10 right now

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by upstater12

yeah i know pop tarts suck... but im not a morning person... what can i say they are a quick fix... How many calories should i be eating to put htis weight on? I couldnt tell you my metabolic rate but i know its high because i have never had bf% over 15%. Im thinking that im around 10 right now

They are a quick fix to getting fat... Bro.. Oats and Tuna take like one min to cook.. i dont see the problem...

Use the Harris Benedict Formula ( spelling ) google it and u can find out how many cals you need to add weight..

damn it i just did for you

to add weight u need rougly 3500-3600ish cals (CLEAN)

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:31 PM

Thanks for the calculation

so... no cycle for me yet?

just eat and lift hard

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 07:32 PM

yea man.... def..get a good diet going most importnatly props. for holding off

**upstater12** · 10-26-2006, 07:35 PM

thx fez

**Andros** · 10-26-2006, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by upstater12

2 questions-

How do i delete that other thread...

and

Is is better to squat with heavy weight low reps, or moderate weight and get the most blood into the muscle you can. I heard both sides

Do 6-8 sets of squats every leg workout never go below 8 reps unless its your last set. You got to do a reasonable amount of volume with mid-heavy to heavy weights if you want to add size.

Worked for me.

**smiler** · 10-26-2006, 08:16 PM

ok, perhaps i miss the point here. the guy has always been thin, or at least low bf. he wants mass and to gain like 25 lbs correct? pearsonally, i see no prob with the poop-tarts. better off eating them post w.o. due to the insulin increase. i mean several guys take insulin pwo for the spike. the sugar will do the same just to a lessor degree imo.....eat em up

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 08:19 PM

okay,

dont take the last bit of advice... from smiler

**JohnboyF** · 10-26-2006, 08:21 PM

actaully let me re-state my ideas

he is 6'6 225

simply to sum it up from a good friend BULKING doest not EQUAL FATTENING..

enough said

**upstater12** · 10-27-2006, 09:03 AM

When looking to gain mass in my legs... Which amount of squats would be better?

8 sets 10-12 reps moderate to heavy weight

or

8 sets 3-6 reps heavy weight

and why?

**smiler** · 10-27-2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by FaizakaFez

okay,

dont take the last bit of advice... from smiler

1st of all. many bbs load up on sugar of some sort pwo. 2nd i have read many many articles about thin guys (pro bbs) eating crap, i.e. a box of capt crunch every morning while bulking. (as long as their not guest posing). 3rd, he states he's never been over 15% bf. while eating whatever. how the hell does a poop tart make a guy like that fat? several guys, even on this board, take 2 tsp of honey pwo. would you like to tell me the diff in that and a pooptart? (besides the obvious preservatives). btw, srry, i had no idea you were king of advice and whos not to take...now i know, not sure why lots of guys think we all compete, and should eat chicken breast and broccoli every meal.... peace

**Andros** · 10-27-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by upstater12

When looking to gain mass in my legs... Which amount of squats would be better?

8 sets 10-12 reps moderate to heavy weight

or

8 sets 3-6 reps heavy weight

and why?

Both are good but the first one is better for size and the second better for strength, but you should occasionally do the second as well so that your strength goes up and then you can do more when you do the first workout.