If you were my 'specialist' what would you prescribe...

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 04:33 AM

Hi guys,

More than ever I have the opportunity to use AS. My mate is a doc and he uses it, and he is almost encouraging me to use it. However I don't really trust his judgment.

I have been around steriods since I was 18. I use to be an athlete and even accidently momentarily paralized a mate when injecting him - funny now!

Anyways, I am NOT against the use of AS, but I'm not one to run straight into it. When I was younger I wanted to go into it, but I didn't know enough, and when I saw how my mates reacted and progressed through the use of AS I thought I wanted to stay away from it. So I got into training and diet. My family is naturally scrawny, I was 50kg until I started training, now almost 6 years later I'm 72kg - but I've been 72kg for almost two years!

What do you guys think. For my height and weight I sound perfect, but when I look in the mirror - iI am not.

I'm 5'7", just over 150lbs, 10-12%bf, 23-24years old, 32" waist, 38" chest, 12' biceps.

My goal is to change my training routine but hit my body with a different angle - coz I've hit a platue for the past two years, maybe AS isn't such a bad idea now.

What do you think would help me get a nice chizzled look. I wanna stay away from deca , I don't mind wini (except the injections are so frequent). I would probably like something along the lines of EQ and Test (if you know where I'm going).

I really respect your opinions.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-29-2006, 05:28 AM

Are you training for a specific sport or for BB? If it is BB then you are still very light and I would have thought you should look at diet before anything else.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 05:37 AM

nah just looking at generally bulking up to look better... not BB.

**Xtralarg** · 10-29-2006, 06:29 AM

5'7", just over 150lbs, 10-12%bf, 23-24years old, 32" waist, 38" chest, 12' biceps

I think you have a long way to go before you are ready for/need AAS. You should concentrate on your diet and gain some weight naturally.

**Kale** · 10-29-2006, 07:15 AM

Post up your diet dude. Here is what it should look like UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

**Booz** · 10-29-2006, 07:27 AM

as the abouve have stated imo steroid use is not the option for you at the moment,we cannot tell you what to do just advise on what we think is the best thing for you.
and at the moment you really need to concentrate on your diet and put some size on NATURALLY,this will only benefit you in the long run when you do take the steroid route.........

**The_Canibal** · 10-29-2006, 07:28 AM

i would prescribe a good diet...and hard trainig..

good luck

**GetHugeDieTrying** · 10-29-2006, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by beuno

nah just looking at generally bulking up to look better... not BB.

hmm you said in ur first post you wanted to be chizzled. Here you want to bulk?

If you've been trainin for 6 years and have a decent diet, id say start shooting test. Youll get up to 200 lbs no prob.

it all comes down to diet, and the aas will just speed things up. I dont know what you're waiting for if ur mates a doct0r! Enjoy

get as big as u can. then shred.

**skipp** · 10-29-2006, 08:57 AM

I'd say it's your diet holding you back (like everyone else) and trust me AAS can't make up for sh*t diet.. Get that together, put on another 20 or so lbs, and then reconsider.

**shrpskn** · 10-29-2006, 11:53 AM

I agree with the above-mentioned as to your diet and training. Your bf% is in the double digits, your 5'7", and your weight is 150...I don't think that I would call this "scrawny".
At your age, height, weight, and bf% I find it hard to believe that you've plateaued naturally. Get your diet in check. IMO there is room for improvement before you decide to cycle.

-ShrpSkn

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 03:41 PM

thanks for your replies. my family isn't naturally gifted - it took me a long time and a lot of work to get to where I am. My bf is probably lower, but I am using those electric scales, last time I had a pinch test I was in the 8%

From my stats you see just a guy that hasnt' bulked, but if you could see what my family looks like, and what I looked like before I started training you could appreciate the fact that I have come a long way from where I would be genetically.

I'm just looking for recommended cycles - if at all.

I've been an athlete since I was young, and my mates took AS to help them out - I never did. I'm only asking this questions because I feel like I am ready, but of course I would accept your opinions as I would like your help in the future.

I've studied health, so know a lot about it and have written a lot of reports on AS use - so I'm not completely nieve, I do know the basics.

My diet is pretty consistant:
First rise: warm glass of water with a squeeze of lemon juice
Breakky: half cup of oats, honey, protein powder, yoghurt, multi-v

tea: Tuna salad - flaxseed oil taken seperately

lunch: grilled chicken, sweet potato, vege's

Tea: handfull of almonds, seeds, etc (get me through 3pm-itis) with protien powder

Dinner: Whatever I'm making but taking into consideration the quarter rule:1quarter protien, 1 quarter carb, 2 quarter greens

Bedtime: Protien with skim-milk

When I work out it's a matter of taking a mueslie bar before and two scoops of protien after a work out.

180/240/70 - P/C/F - 2300kj (keep in mind my height and 'natural' weight - which should be around 60-65kg), and I think i'm 8%bf just my electric scales show 10 to 12%

**fLgAtOr** · 10-29-2006, 04:51 PM

Got Carbs?

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Got Carbs?

lol
oats in the morning
sweet pototoe
dinner normally rice
muslie etc
also through meals eg. yoghurt (yes most is sugars but...)
Sometimes I will take dextrose with my protien post workout - depending on how my body is feeling.

I stay away from carbs before bed.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-29-2006, 05:23 PM

At 2300 calories/day what do you expect, You gotta eat to grow.

Try slowly bumping calories 200/wk until you hit 3000 and stay there for a couple months and see how it affects you.

Also how do you train and what is your training program?

150lbs is extremely light, no reason you can't gain 20-30lbs at the least naturally.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 05:39 PM

I already gained 20lbs naturally... that's the point. 150 LOOKS light but when you look at my body proportion I'm very small, so 150 or 155lbs is quite good. I'm looking to move from just a muscular physique, to a larger muscular physique that is cut and chizzled. If I do increase my calories I just get fatter. It's come to the point where I'm thinking AS might push my genetic potential more. But which one's will help

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-29-2006, 05:58 PM

Do you understand the science behind building muscle? You cant just become larger and cut and chiselled by taking some AS. You will have to concentrate on bulking first to get the "larger". This means you need to do some serious work on that diet, my dog eats more than that! Once you have put on some good size it would be time to cut and get rid of any bodyfat you may have gained. This is when you look "cut and chiselled" if all goes well. Again diet is THE important factor during the cut. AS will not help if your diet is not A1.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-29-2006, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by beuno

I already gained 20lbs naturally... that's the point. 150 LOOKS light but when you look at my body proportion I'm very small, so 150 or 155lbs is quite good. I'm looking to move from just a muscular physique, to a larger muscular physique that is cut and chizzled. If I do increase my calories I just get fatter. It's come to the point where I'm thinking AS might push my genetic potential more. But which one's will help

And you will be able to gain another 20 lbs. That was my point above...just by upping your carbs will add some poundage. Add a banana with breakfast, add a sweet potato with your "tea" time meals. You can try getting whole food sources of protein with bfast and meal #4.

I think your scared of getting fat, when you really don't have to be. Even if your BF% were to go up a little, you will still be able to bring it down very easily, with the bodytype that you have.

Don't be scurred...

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 07:32 PM

haha ok ok I wont be scared...

Sheesh I know all about diet's training etc... but not AS. We are taught very little about AS in health and PE.

And I'm totally exhausted at explaining WHY I am ready for roids. If at all, by saying that I've been training for six years would have helped - but it didn't lol So no help here, I'll just have to let my mate (doc) inject his friggen 50mg dosage of Deca a week lmao

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 07:33 PM

ps that was sarcasm by the way

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-29-2006, 07:35 PM

if you know al about diets why is it that your diet sucks.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-29-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by The_Canibal

i would prescribe a good diet...and hard trainig..

good luck

Yep.

Saying it's alright for you to cycle is equal to telling a 8th grader its ok to cycle.

You should be slapped for thinking the word steroid .

**DSM4Life** · 10-29-2006, 07:47 PM

Don't make the mistake most people make when they first start. They use gear , bulk up then lose ALL gains. Understand what you are doing and what it takes to reach your goal.

**Rye_guy** · 10-29-2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Don't make the mistake most people make when they first start. They use gear , bulk up then lose ALL gains. Understand what you are doing and what it takes to reach your goal.

well put, eat, train and grow man. AAS is to be saved for when your ready. at your stats, you could soo easily make gains without AAS. Just hold off and see what you can do. Diet is everything man.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-29-2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by beuno

haha ok ok I wont be scared...

Sheesh I know all about diet's training etc... but not AS. We are taught very little about AS in health and PE.

And I'm totally exhausted at explaining WHY I am ready for roids. If at all, by saying that I've been training for six years would have helped - but it didn't lol So no help here, I'll just have to let my mate (doc) inject his friggen 50mg dosage of Deca a week lmao

You'll have plenty of time to research while you're puttin on those 20 lbs.

**skipp** · 10-29-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by beuno

It's come to the point where I'm thinking AS might push my genetic potential more. But which one's will help

You think you're at your genetic potential?? bwahahaha ... not quite bud.

No one, 'just gets fat' when they up their kcals properly.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 08:26 PM

ok ok I've been around AS for nearly 5 years, never taken it, I've injected it though. But the experience goes as far as Deca , Chlomid, Wini, and Test E, and EQ.

As for diets... I have never posted a diet that would suit anyone person except for me. Every body is different and that has to be taken into consideration. Sure I might have to lift my KJ intake, but that only makes me 'fatter'. I've done it in the past and it worked well were I would put on muscle, but I have just hit a platue and when I cut down from my 'bulking diet' - I am back to were I started - been like this for two years now.

Just thought AS would help me out a little so I could rev up my diet with the use of AS to get me kicked an even further 20lbs

**DSM4Life** · 10-29-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by beuno

ok ok I've been around AS for nearly 5 years, never taken it, I've injected it though. But the experience goes as far as Deca , Chlomid, Wini, and Test E, and EQ.

As for diets... I have never posted a diet that would suit anyone person except for me. Every body is different and that has to be taken into consideration. Sure I might have to lift my KJ intake, but that only makes me 'fatter'. I've done it in the past and it worked well were I would put on muscle, but I have just hit a platue and when I cut down from my 'bulking diet' - I am back to were I started - been like this for two years now.

Just thought AS would help me out a little so I could rev up my diet with the use of AS to get me kicked an even further 20lbs

This is because your diet is not in check.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by skipp

You think you're at your genetic potential?? bwahahaha ... not quite bud.

No one, 'just gets fat' when they up their kcals properly.

I don't know if maybe it's something that will just pass but it's been like this for two years now. You can see why I'm asking tho.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

This is because your diet is not in check.

everyone criticises the diet. Let's look at this in perspective. I'm using metric coz that's the right way of measuring :P

I played football growin up, weight 50kg at 170cm

when I hit 18 it was after first year of uni studying Health which included nutritition. I decided to change my way of eating (even though I ate healthy and the docs said I was healthy weight etc)

I trained at the gym, ate according to finding that 'right amount'.

I went from 50kg with about 8-9% to today at 72kg at about 8%bf. That was two years ago and continuing to this day.

I haven't changed what I've done, maybe the foods a little differently, but I travel up to 75kg (which is big shuddup lol) and then cut which brings me back to around 68 - 72kg. I cannot pack on muscle like I use to, I do put on muscle, I can tell - but its SOOOO slow and minimal.

That's where I'm at.

**damiongage** · 10-29-2006, 08:45 PM

I guess I gotta disagree with alot of the posts in this thread. While I do think your diet needs a little tweeking...it is a good start, and compared to what a lot of people new to the boards think they know you seem to be on the right track.

Also while you should get these things in order before messing with AAS...I would bet alot if not most of the people on these boards were not at their "genetic limits" before turning to gear.

If you are looking to gain some mass...I would start with 12weeks of test at about 500mg week....and definetly up your cals...and keep em up...or you will lose all that you gain.

good luck

**DSM4Life** · 10-29-2006, 09:06 PM

I am not telling you this because i am bored but i am trying to help.

Yes i did AAS when i was 150lbs and didn't know too much about diet and guess what happened. I got to about 165-170 and felt great. Well after my PCT and all my wasted money all my gains were gone with in a few months.

damiongage: you say his diet is a good start ? are you joking ! His dinner says "Whatever I'm making " !!!!!

Its your decision , you want to learn from other peoples mistakes or find out for yourself ? Whatever you do goodluck.

**damiongage** · 10-29-2006, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

damiongage: you say his diet is a good start ? are you joking ! His dinner says "Whatever I'm making " !!!!!

yeh 25%/pro...25%/carb...50% veggie....sounds like a good meal to me...you gotta read in complete sentences, bro...not just pick the parts you want to quote.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-29-2006, 10:42 PM

<----- at this thread..

This guy is hard headed.. Lets set him up a cycle so he can gain a little weight and lose it all and we can all laugh and say "I told you so"..

YOUR DIET SUCKS.. what don't you understand about that? I seriously doubt your training is any better.

Lastly, you're 150 freakin lbs.. Come on bro, you can't seriously think that if you've been stuck at this for 2yrs or so you're doing anything right.

Wake up.

**beuno** · 10-29-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

<----- at this thread..

This guy is hard headed.. Lets set him up a cycle so he can gain a little weight and lose it all and we can all laugh and say "I told you so"..

YOUR DIET SUCKS.. what don't you understand about that? I seriously doubt your training is any better.

Lastly, you're 150 freakin lbs.. Come on bro, you can't seriously think that if you've been stuck at this for 2yrs or so you're doing anything right.

Wake up.

I'm actually 162.8lbs - checked yahoo

I don't want to come across like another random dude thats found www.steroid.com and decided to jump in being one of those nieve kids just wanting to get on roids - if I was I would have done it 5years ago, or anytime during that period.

My mates do it, my mate who is a doc is wanting to get me onto it. I wasn't going to do it, and I don't think I'll do it - now.

If I were to do anything I would like the support of this board - which I don't have. My mates think I'm ready, some made me laugh at their attempts of AS, others have done well, including one who won mr natural.

I just thought maybe you guys could understand why I'm at the point where I am and help out a little.

I'll just go through my cycle again and see what happens - make those little gains again, then cut just to put on maybe 1kg later.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-29-2006, 11:43 PM

Bro I understand where you're coming from but you gotta realize many of us giving you suggestions and advice were your size once also.

I started at 130lbs. Many of us started using AAS much too soon and would love the opportunity to go back and get our training/diets in check and take another plunge, consider yourself lucky to be in the position you're in that's all.

Wish the best for you, I'd suggest making a new thread in the diet forum with your diet listed with macro nutrients and total calories listed.
You claim you get fat when calories are increased but if you plan on staying at 6-8% BF year around, don't plan on growing.. You can do a Lean-bulk and not gain too much overall BF and put on tons of muscle if done correctly.

**beuno** · 10-30-2006, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Bro I understand where you're coming from but you gotta realize many of us giving you suggestions and advice were your size once also.

I started at 130lbs. Many of us started using AAS much too soon and would love the opportunity to go back and get our training/diets in check and take another plunge, consider yourself lucky to be in the position you're in that's all.

Wish the best for you, I'd suggest making a new thread in the diet forum with your diet listed with macro nutrients and total calories listed.
You claim you get fat when calories are increased but if you plan on staying at 6-8% BF year around, don't plan on growing.. You can do a Lean-bulk and not gain too much overall BF and put on tons of muscle if done correctly.

If you are interested can you PM me a diet?? Don't need to, I don't mind doing the hard yards

I can't PM people yet

**Booz** · 10-30-2006, 01:30 AM

you should be able to pm you have the required amount of posts...........

**beuno** · 10-30-2006, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Booz

you should be able to pm you have the required amount of posts...........

I know I know I just realised when after I said it and tried it

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 10-30-2006, 01:03 PM

Best advice is to really satrt bulking up for a few months. Do some research, see what people say, see what you like the most in the way of gear and then see if you are ready to start a solid cycle.

**Manpretty** · 10-30-2006, 09:21 PM

one thing no one has said is that as you grow you will need more calories just to maintain your weight and even more to add to that weight..if youve been doing the same thing for 2 years thats prob why you arent growing anymore..ps im 155 as well and im on AS as we speak....but im on to get stronger.
pps are you training properly?