TBol/Var cycle

**DHew** · 10-31-2006, 11:37 AM

About to order it...

50mgs Var ED week 1-6
40mgs TBol week 1-6

PCT 20mgs nolva day 1-30. How long after last pill should I eat though?

I hoping to gain 10-15lbs lean mass, is that reasonable?

Ive done one cycle before. Test enth 500mgs EW For 10 weeks.

Currently...
22 years old
6'1"
192lbs
13% BF

Do the doses look sufficient? I was planning a var only cycle, but then read up on how people just use both for the synergistic effect. Comments? Thanks again guys!

**mick-g** · 10-31-2006, 11:39 AM

Tbol you have to watch because ive received two batches of either low dosage or no effect at all. they were ** product and from and authorized dist. I will not do tbol again, and even if you do try it, 40mg is not enough. 60mg at least ed. Imo, you are better of just going with the var.

**znak** · 10-31-2006, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by DHew

About to order it...

50mgs Var ED week 1-6
40mgs TBol week 1-6

PCT 20mgs nolva day 1-30. How long after last pill should I eat though?

I hoping to gain 10-15lbs lean mass, is that reasonable?

Ive done one cycle before. Test enth 500mgs EW For 10 weeks.

Currently...
22 years old
6'1"
192lbs
13% BF

Do the doses look sufficient? I was planning a var only cycle, but then read up on how people just use both for the synergistic effect. Comments? Thanks again guys!

Dump the tbol and got with test prop/var. You will love it.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 10-31-2006, 12:23 PM

Tbol & Var are both very mild. Don't expect miracles.

I would use at 50mgs each.

**Johny-too-small** · 10-31-2006, 12:29 PM

I like tbol very much. I’ve ran it twice and the strength gains and increased vascularity are its primary benifits.

However, 60-80 mg/ed for six to eight weeks is the magic area for tbol.

**AnabolicAndre** · 10-31-2006, 12:31 PM

Ross?

**DHew** · 10-31-2006, 02:12 PM

Who's ross?

**Swifto** · 10-31-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicAndre

Ross?

Where?

I like Tbol too. I seem to respond best on 80mg/ED. Will use it again.

**magic32** · 11-01-2006, 09:35 AM

All good ADIVCES, as the Oak would say.
In summation:

Extend the cycle to 8-10wks
Increase both compounds' mgs
If you run uneven doses; Tbol should be higher
Mask & Znak echoed what I said in the PM
1. Results are mild compared to the Test you claimed to have used; people usually progress not regress
2. Test should be added for best results

M.

**lil-SLIM** · 11-01-2006, 10:13 PM

how come people always suggest tbol and var and not dbol and var

**Hellmaskbanned** · 11-01-2006, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by lil-SLIM

how come people always suggest tbol and var and not dbol and var

Usually because , tbol and var are both similiar in terms of gains.
Both give lean gains only. Both are mild on the liver and dont aromatize.
You don't need to run an AI or SERM with tbol and var. Dbol and var is a different story. Tbol is light on the liver, but I don't know exactly how dbol compares to it in that part.

**mousetraps** · 11-01-2006, 11:24 PM

tbol at 60mg/day for 8 weeks werked fur mee... 25 lbs.

**Hellmaskbanned** · 11-01-2006, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by mousetraps

tbol at 60mg/day for 8 weeks werked fur mee... 25 lbs.

WTF?

What were your stats before hand?

You had to be WAY undersized to your natural limit to gain that much from weak ol tbol.

**lil-SLIM** · 11-02-2006, 10:24 AM

would u see bigger gains with dbol and var + pct as opposed to tbol and var?

what is tbols full name?

**DHew** · 11-02-2006, 10:36 AM

tbol = Oral Turinabol . Better gains...I dunno. A lot of water, and im looking for lean gains, which tbol gives. You might gain more weight from dbol , but its mostly water weight, and youll lose most of it easily.

**mousetraps** · 11-02-2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Hellmask

WTF?

What were your stats before hand?

You had to be WAY undersized to your natural limit to gain that much from weak ol tbol.

yeah, started it at 6'1 200 lbs approximately....
if anything i got leaner too.

**Swifto** · 11-02-2006, 03:41 PM

I would guess the liver toxicity of Dbol and Tbol is very similar, due to Tbol only having a 4-chloro alteration, which differs the two.

I would also guess Tbol is less suppressive as it either aromotases VERY slowly or has no estrogenic component at all.

**mousetraps** · 11-02-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I would guess the liver toxicity of Dbol and Tbol is very similar, due to Tbol only having a 4-chloro alteration, which differs the two.

I would also guess Tbol is less suppressive as it either aromotases VERY slowly or has no estrogenic component at all.

yeah, i couldn't say since i ran nolvadex the whole time, and for pct.

**mick-g** · 11-09-2006, 04:03 PM

I hearing some ppl doing like split 25mg var and 25mg stan in the am and another 25mg of each b4 bed. Iam going to do it this way next one. It supposed to be awesome for the hardening and strength gains with no water bloat.