keeping gains ???s

**kostakv** · 11-05-2006, 02:21 PM

with a test e, winstrol , dbol cycle and Great training and good eating, and a clomid, Nolvadex PCT what kind of gains am i looking to keep after the cycle
I am nowhere near my genetic potential, say 50% of gains to be conservative, or more. my cycle is goin to be 10 weeks...........

**stupidhippo** · 11-05-2006, 02:36 PM

many ppl manage to keep almost all...

**Snrf** · 11-05-2006, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by kostakv

I am nowhere near my genetic potential

THEN DONT JUICE

**stupidhippo** · 11-05-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

THEN DONT JUICE

this is true BUT lately I have had some opposite thoughts on this too...

point y u should wait: u can still gain naturally and y run the risk of some potential unhealthy side-effects while u can still gain naturally....
etc etc...

point from the other side:

y wait until u have reached ur natural potential and then juice and lose gains in the long run without gear... in a way thats even more pointless.. y not juice a lil earlier and reach ur natural potential years ealrlier than u would otherwise.. Ive seen this happen to many friends who didnt wait as long as I did.. they all keep gains a lot better than me and they train worse and eat worse. Now that they have grown quite a bit in a some time they too are starting to experience the slow but steady loss of gains after PCT and the following months... Not saying this is a way to go but recently I have started to doubt the traditional approach of waiting as long as possible..especially to those who aint planning on competing etc.. those who just wanna get bigger and stronger and perhaps quit using gear when they have reached a desired level.. but then again y juice if it can be reached natty too, with a lot of hard work..

**Haro3** · 11-05-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by stupidhippo

this is true BUT lately I have had some opposite thoughts on this too...

point y u should wait: u can still gain naturally and y run the risk of some potential unhealthy side-effects while u can still gain naturally....
etc etc...

point from the other side:

y wait until u have reached ur natural potential and then juice and lose gains in the long run without gear... in a way thats even more pointless.. y not juice a lil earlier and reach ur natural potential years ealrlier than u would otherwise.. Ive seen this happen to many friends who didnt wait as long as I did.. they all keep gains a lot better than me and they train worse and eat worse. Now that they have grown quite a bit in a some time they too are starting to experience the slow but steady loss of gains after PCT and the following months... Not saying this is a way to go but recently I have started to doubt the traditional approach of waiting as long as possible..especially to those who aint planning on competing etc.. those who just wanna get bigger and stronger and perhaps quit using gear when they have reached a desired level.. but then again y juice if it can be reached natty too, with a lot of hard work..

agreed. im not so sure there is such a thing as full genetic potential. think about it..how would u know? u can always change slightly here and there..forever

**plzr8** · 11-05-2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by kostakv

with a test e, winstrol , dbol cycle and Great training and good eating, and a clomid, Nolvadex PCT what kind of gains am i looking to keep after the cycle
I am nowhere near my genetic potential, say 50% of gains to be conservative, or more. my cycle is goin to be 10 weeks...........

age? assuming this would be your first cycle?

sounds like you should wait it out and just lift naturally until you are closer to that full "genetic potential", then consider your options. research in the mean time!

**Snrf** · 11-05-2006, 04:54 PM

i see your point hippo but if you're nowhere near your potential then you obviously don't have much experience or knowledge, juicing with neither of those things is a bad idea and its people who do this that give juice a bad name.