My attempt to come OFF.....SCARED!

[Columbus]

i am gong to make an attempt to come off after 15 weeks of 250mg per week...hcg at 500mg eod clomid and nolva. It was a thought that I need to to be on trt, but my doc is an idiot....I have low test levels, but I want to come off and see what happens...then maybe I am prime for trt if I dont rebound. So I need some assistance, please............

2 days after last shot, week one 500mg of hcg eod untili use up 5,000mg
nolva at 20mg per day
clomid at 50mg per day AFTER the hcg is gone.



Should I include clen ? How would it benefit me? Keep my test levels up?

I have armidex, I assume I should use it as well...

and Anavar ....is it ok to use without supresses me?

[one8nine]

you are scared about coming back but you want to take anavar with pct that makes a lot of sense

[pumpd4lif]

take hcg at 250 to 500 ui per day for 10 days
then start clomid at 300mg 1st day and drop 50 mg ed till u are at 100mg ed.while taking clomid also take nolva at 20 mg ed.last 4 days of clomid run at 50 mg.(only taking the clomid for 14 days total)then 14 day drop clomid contiue nolva and start vitamin e at 1000ui ed.then day 20 of pct lower nolva to 10 mg ed for the next ten days and u should be good.get some tonkat to help natty test .take the tonkat after pct IMO

[Columbus]

couple of questions..........will anavar supress me? How can I incorporate clen and is it benefitial. I have 5000mg of hcg ...so ill do 500mg eod (for how long) then clomid and nolva.

Also, armidex yes?

How long do I wait to recover? 5-6 weeks?

[cj1capp]

couple of questions..........will anavar supress me? How can I incorporate clen and is it benefitial. I have 5000mg of hcg ...so ill do 500mg eod (for how long) then clomid and nolva.

Also, armidex yes?

How long do I wait to recover? 5-6 weeks?

read this
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=PHEENDO

[Vegas67]

Will anavar supress....YES. I stopped Anavar last weekend and even though I am continuing primo I feel shut down...lazy, tired. Starting to add cyp.

[Columbus]

Hc Clom Adex Nolv
1 500 0.5
2 500 0.5
3 500 0.5
4 500 0.5
5 500 0.5
6 500 0.5
7 500 0.5
8 500 0.5
9 500 0.5
10 500 0.5
11 100 0.5 10
12 100 0.5 10
13 100 0.5 10
14 100 0.5 10
15 100 0.5 10
16 100 0.5 10
17 100 0.5 10
18 100 0.5 10
19 100 0.5 10
20 100 0.5 10
21 100 0.5 10
22 100 0.5 10
23 100 0.5 10
24 100 0.5 10
25 50 0.5 10
26 50 0.5 10
27 50 0.5 10
28 50 0.5 10
29 50 0.5 10
30 50 0.5 10

[Columbus]

Week Nolv Hcg Clomid Vit E Arm
1 20mg 250ed 1000ed
2 20mg 250ed 1000ed
3 20mg 250ed 1000ed
4 20mg - 1000ed
5 20mg - 1000ed
6 20mg - 1000ed
Clomid At 300 Day 1, 100mg After For Weeks 5 And 6
Armidex At 1mg Every Other Day

[Rye_guy]

you are scared about coming back but you want to take anavar with pct that makes a lot of sense

no doubt. WTF

[cfiler]

Don't use var in your pct.

Do use clen .

Start clomid, nolva, and the hcg all 2 weeks after your last test inject.

[IBdmfkr]

PCT that's worked very well for me in the past:

Wks1-2 = Clomid 100mg/day Wks3-4 = 50mg/day
Wks1-3 = Nolva 40mg/day Wks4-6 = 20mg/day

Have Bloodwork done on wk 8 and reaccess.

[Columbus]

PCT that's worked very well for me in the past:

Wks1-2 = Clomid 100mg/day Wks3-4 = 50mg/day
Wks1-3 = Nolva 40mg/day Wks4-6 = 20mg/day

Have Bloodwork done on wk 8 and reaccess.

that looks great....I'll give that a shot....incorporating 500mg of hcg eod is prob a good idea for me.....how long is the longest you were on? This will be 16 weeks for me, but it was only 250mg a week.........easier I hope.....6 weeks is ideal.....

2 questions : I meant to write armidex, sorry about anavar ....brain was in a freeze....how should I incorporate.

Also, can you talk to me about IGF-1.....I am fearful my test levels which are low to start will be lower and would like to take something during pct that will keep them up as much as possible. I know I need to up the calories, but I don't want to fat to take control.....

[Columbus]

Last inj today of 125cyp today......last eq will be saturday at 100mg....pct to begin 1 week from saturday with hcg , nolv and dbol , clen ....I will let you know how it goes....

[Hackamaniac]

Last inj today of 125cyp today......last eq will be saturday at 100mg....pct to begin 1 week from saturday with hcg, nolv and dbol, clen....I will let you know how it goes....

Why dbol ??

[Columbus]

Almost every male on the planet is on AAS at a daily dose of 5-7 mg, give or take, much of it secreted overnight while sleeping. Dbol has a half life of around 4.5 hours. After 18 hours it's undergone 4 half-lives and that's from what's left and survives liver breakdown.

If we assume that 10mg Dbol results in approx. 7mg of test then 7->3.5->1.75->0.875->0.4375. After four half-lives there is less than half a milligram still circulating.

Add to this that nobody is suggesting a Dbol-alone PCT. You'd still be running your SERM and AI. What leads you to consider that this would likely result in disaster?

[Hackamaniac]

I haven't researched this subject at all..So I don't know if it will be a disaster..Just sounds strange to me to go on a pct with another steroid ..
Good luck,Let us know how it goes..

[bor]

drop the anavar , the rest sounds good

[Columbus]

yup..no anavar ....

[Hackamaniac]

I didn't know what he was talking about either..
I thought he knew something I didn't

[IBdmfkr]

that looks great....I'll give that a shot....incorporating 500mg of hcg eod is prob a good idea for me.....how long is the longest you were on? This will be 16 weeks for me, but it was only 250mg a week.........easier I hope.....6 weeks is ideal.....

2 questions : I meant to write armidex, sorry about anavar ....brain was in a freeze....how should I incorporate.

Also, can you talk to me about IGF-1.....I am fearful my test levels which are low to start will be lower and would like to take something during pct that will keep them up as much as possible. I know I need to up the calories, but I don't want to fat to take control.....

16wks is my longest at higher dosages.
That is the protocol I used to rebound my natural levels.

[Columbus]

Great stuff bro...thanks for the info...last test was yest so I start 1 week from then.......I'll keep you posted. What are the keys during pct? Eat heavy? Don't overtrain?

Is it possible to actually gain mass during pct? Stay lean? IB* how many cycle a year do u run? On now?