What to take? want to add some lean hard muscle..

[Billytk03z]

I am 33, 6'0", 187, 6% bf........ (that is me in avatar) I am using 2.5 iu's hgh ed........

I have been invited to be an athletic model for a model photo shoot for a new clothing line that Is coming out..... I have 40 days before the shoot...

I would like to get on something that will allow me to stay lean but pack on just a little more muscle...

I want to stress that I do not want to use anything that is very androgenic ... I want to keep my hair.....

would using Winstrol be ok to use in my situation..... I am very happy with where my body is at but I just want a little more lean muscle/hardness...

thanx for any input and suggestions

billy

[t-gunz]

Yes winstrol would be good.. just gotta watch out for the side effects... e.g. acne... you wouldn't want that before a shoot. Unless some girls are into the acne lol. best of luck with the photo shoot

[BigNate]

i would go with prop and npp with an ED injection schedule.

[hosam4ever]

bignate is right short esters will do it 4 u test prop npp winstrol with proviron to give u this hard look

[perfectbeast2001]

If you are that worried about your hair then all the compounds mentioned could present a problem. Compounds giving a hard look are usually DHT derived and DHT is something you want to avoid if hair loss is an issue. You may find it wise to stack some Dutastride from ARR in there to help prevent balding.

[Hephens]

a photo shoot(my type of thing waiting just like you). You do not want any sides, agencies want some1 clean and will look good on there covers or whatever they may use you for. So you will need to toss up either give it ago and hope for no sides or go an use supplements. winny would be preferd, but can still cause side effects.

[fitguy]

winny is bad for the hair as far as i have heard.

[hosam4ever]

yup its bad but personally i never had hair prob with winny at all

[SNUKA]

yea winny destroyed my hair i would advise if your gonna model dont take that i dont even think dutasteride would help in that case i would stick with a cycle of prop and maybe some npp if you can get it

[Billytk03z]

No shit! Winny is bad for hair? I thought since it had very low androgenic properties it would be safe..... aww shit.... cuz winny is available to me right now from a friend...

so is the consensus that I should go with the prop and npp with an ED injection schedule that BigNate suggested??
Ok... I have never used prohormones before (except for the HGH that I am currently using)..... I dont know a whole lot of steroid names, etc.... what is "npp"? Is this safer for my hair than winny? cuz the hair thing is a very big deal to me, I look like an alien bald, LOL!!!

[briancb1]

If you must have your hair and be free of acne why just you continue to work out and eat right.

If clothes are on you, you have to have some mass for it to be fairly evident. If your shirt is off, then hit some weights and get pumped and make sure the right lighting is setup and maybe a little oil and it will make you look muscular. When I'm at the gym and I'm pumped up and sweaty, when I go to a darker corner in the gym with a cross light I look absolutly ripped, but in my bathroom at home I have too much light and get washed out easily.

If they asked you for a shoot they most obviously think you already look good enough.

my .02

Good luck

[Billytk03z]

When I work out I get extremely ripped and pumped but unfortunately that soon fades about 30 minutes later after finishing the workout... I look great without a shirt but with clothes on I look thin... I just want to add a little hardness... nothing major.... but just a little more size in the arms... its so hard for me to stay lean with a 6 pack and put size anywhere else on my body.. so I need just a little help! I dont plan on this being a consitant thing but just a little push or boost if ya know what I mean.....

[MartyMcFly]

No shit! Winny is bad for hair? I thought since it had very low androgenic properties it would be safe..... aww shit.... cuz winny is available to me right now from a friend...

so is the consensus that I should go with the prop and npp with an ED injection schedule that BigNate suggested??
Ok... now here is where i get slammed!!! I have never used prohormones before (except for the HGH that I am currently using)..... I dont know a whole lot of steroid names, etc.... what is "prop" and "npp"? Is this safer for my hair than winny? cuz the hair thing is a very big deal to me, I look like an alien bald, LOL!!!

HGH isn't a prohormone, it is a hormone. You inject it.

[MuscleScience]

What are you chicken McFly?

Sorry had too. lol

[Billytk03z]

I know that HGH is not a prohormone, I was just stating that in my personal strength training life I have previously never used any "prohormone" or "hormone" of anykind until now.... in which I am using HGH.....

[IronPumper80]

prop and tren worked great for me!

[skipp]

I say winny at 100mg ED, screw the hair. itll come back, hopefully lol

[k_kingston]

No shit! Winny is bad for hair? I thought since it had very low androgenic properties it would be safe..... aww shit.... cuz winny is available to me right now from a friend...

so is the consensus that I should go with the prop and npp with an ED injection schedule that BigNate suggested??
Ok... now here is where i get slammed!!! I have never used prohormones before (except for the HGH that I am currently using)..... I dont know a whole lot of steroid names, etc.... what is "prop" and "npp"? Is this safer for my hair than winny? cuz the hair thing is a very big deal to me, I look like an alien bald, LOL!!!

prop is test prop-fast acting ester
npp= fast acting deca

[Billytk03z]

The NPP is safer on the hair? but it seems that there are a lot of complications with runnning deca .. such as suppressed test, extremely lowered libido, water retention, and its gotta be run for 10 weeks or longer to see results, etc......

If i decide to use winny do I need to run test with it as well..... and how long before I see results....

As I have said earlier that is me in my avatar.... I want to keep my hard earned six pack but add some nice quality "ripped" size muscle to my shoulders and arms.... basically Im going for the Ryan Reynolds look when he was in Blade 3..... What will help me accomplish this that wont be extremely hard on my hair? I just want something easy and not too complicated....

I guess Test Prop will be a mainstay with anything I run.... so im getting some of that as we speak...

[GHO5T]

I am 33, 6'0", 187, 6% bf........ (that is me in avatar) I am using 2.5 iu's hgh ed........

I have been invited to be an athletic model for a model photo shoot for a new clothing line that Is coming out..... I have 40 days before the shoot...

I would like to get on something that will allow me to stay lean but pack on just a little more muscle...

I want to stress that I do not want to use anything that is very androgenic ... I want to keep my hair.....

would using Winstrol be ok to use in my situation..... I am very happy with where my body is at but I just want a little more lean muscle/hardness...

thanx for any input and suggestions

billy

do you want to gain all this before the shoot, or are you comfortable running a longer cycle (12 weeker) that would go thru the shoot?

[lil swoll]

Id go with anavar or turanabol if you can get either. Both promote small but lean gains in muscle mass and are easy on the hair line. Test prop is not a necassity with these compounds either. Tbol actually increases li**o like test and var has minimal effects on your HPTA. Plus the test willl proably bloat you up some even if its prop.

[Mr.Jenkins]

How bout some Drol/test E

[king6]

Id go with anavar or turanabol if you can get either. Both promote small but lean gains in muscle mass and are easy on the hair line. Test prop is not a necassity with these compounds either. Tbol actually increases li**o like test and var has minimal effects on your HPTA. Plus the test willl proably bloat you up some even if its prop.

I agree, if you want to harden up and put on a little lean muscle, then oral turinabol would be good, you can put on about 10-15 pounds of lean muscle mass. The gains from var wont be that dramatic, and it is more costly. I know most people say that test should be the base of every cycle, but for what you are looking to gain, I think you could do an oral only cycle. And both of those compounds are easy on the hair, more so with var.

[axemurderer187]

sorry i'm a little behind here, what is npp short for?

[king6]

sorry i'm a little behind here, what is npp short for?

Nandrolone Phylproprionate

[axemurderer187]

Nandrolone Phylproprionate

Ah! Grasias Amigo

[Billytk03z]

GHO5T, I dont mind running anything long, Im just concerned with hairloss as vein as that sounds...... so a longer cycle wouldnt be a prob! but I would like some noticeable results prior to the shoot....


So if I use anavar or turanabol I would not need to supp with Test? Im just worried about HPTA shutdown while using without test! 10-15 lbs lean muscle sounds great for me... I do not want huge size, Im looking for that Ryan Reynolds look and I know my body as it is right now is primed for lean muscle gain..... I want to keep my hair, not mess with my libido and test production too much... I know Im asking for alot of benifits with no sides, lol

I just read about anavar and that stuff seems pretty impressive.... so anavar will definately put some lean size on me? it seems that the gains while on it stay for nice while too.... why is not many more people using anavar? is it the high cost that scares people away... do I need pct after?

Whats the deal with turanabol, a lot of peeps in other threads with Tbol said they had problems with libido and recovery after their cycle?

So what is the consensus....turanabol or anavar?

Right now I am using 4iu HGH ed and arimidex 1/2mg every 3 days... will any of these pose a problem when starting a cycle?


thanx very much for every ones input.... this is by far the best forum I have ever been a part of, I really appreciate all the help!!! sincerely....

[GHO5T]

GHO5T, I dont mind running anything long, Im just concerned with hairloss as vein as that sounds...... so a longer cycle wouldnt be a prob! but I would like some noticeable results prior to the shoot....


So if I use anavar or turanabol I would not need to supp with Test? Im just worried about HPTA shutdown while using without test! 10-15 lbs lean muscle sounds great for me... I do not want huge size, Im looking for that Ryan Reynolds look and I know my body as it is right now is primed for lean muscle gain..... So what is the consensus....turanabol or anavar?

I just read about anavar and that stuff seems pretty impressive.... so anavar will definately put some lean size on me? why is not many more people using anavar? is it the high cost that scares people away...

Whats the deal with turanabol, i really cant find any solid info on it?

Right now I am using 4iu HGH ed and arimidex 1/2mg every 3 days... will any of these pose a problem when starting a cycle?

thanx very much for every ones input.... this is by far the best forum I have ever been a part of, I really appreciate all the help!!! sincerely....

well if you dont mind a longer cycle then this is what i suggest.

as of now get your diet and training spot on, with a good diet and a good training regime, you can add some decent noticable size on before your photo shoot, 40 days is more than enough time to add the kind of size you want naturally.

as far as cycling goes, im not for the only oral cycles as mentioned in this thread personally only oral cycles dont fit my goals as far as aas usage goes. And why would you run an only oral cycle when you can make those kind of gains yourself naturally.

if you are serious about aas usage and want to pack on some size for the future and future photo shoots i would suggest this (suggested to run after first photo shoot)

dbol 40mg/ed 1-4 (optional)
test e 500mg/wk 1-12

followed up by proper pct, IMO your first cycle should be kept simple, a test e is good for a first timer. Dbol is optional as i stated above, b/c since your worried about hairloss it might cause some (personally never experienced any kind of hairloss with any aas compound). But everyone reacts differently so its up to you.

your diet will be the determining factor in how much you want to gain keep that in mind, and of course a good training regime. You can easily gain anywhere from 10-20 pounds of muscle with that cycle, as long as your diet and training are spot on.

best of luck to you bro

[kynetguy]

The baldness from winny is usually a result of someone who is predispositioned to Male pattern baldness. And you either have a high forehead or a receeding hairline. . .if you have balding men on your moms side of the tree, then winny will excellerate that.

[Billytk03z]

would it be ok to take finasteride as a preventative measure while starting a cycle?

[king6]

would it be ok to take finasteride as a preventative measure while starting a cycle?

With test yes, if you want something stronger, take duta. The test and dbol is a kick ass cycle, one I will be using myself, and it is good for about 15-20 lbs. That may seem like alot but I think you will be pleased. Now the duta will not help you with dbol, as it does not convert to dht, it is already very androgenic in its own state. Because of this I reccomend a topical protector such as spiro @ 5% strength, and nizoral either 1% or 2% will be fine. The 1%you can get in Walgreens. As for spiro just google it and you should find someone that carries it. The spiro prevents dht from attaching to the androgen receptors or something like that. Also get some saw palmetto, there are mixed feelings as whether or not this protects your hair, but it is cheap so why not run it.

[king6]

Also if you have 40 days before the shoot you may want to run prop instead, and drop the dbol , test e takes about 5 weeks to see effects, and there is less water retention with prop, which will help you not to look bloated in your shoot.

[lil swoll]

I really dont see why you guys are suggesting for him to run a test dbol cycle. Yes, it makes a great cycle but it just doesnt fit his current goals, he only has 40 days . Billy, if you want to look like a puffier fish for your shoot jump on the test and dbol. If you want to be cut, put on a little mass and keep your hair stick to tbol or var. Save the test dbol for the future.

[GHO5T]

I really dont see why you guys are suggesting for him to run a test dbol cycle. Yes, it makes a great cycle but it just doesnt fit his current goals, he only has 40 days . Billy, if you want to look like a puffier fish for your shoot jump on the test and dbol. If you want to be cut, put on a little mass and keep your hair stick to tbol or var. Save the test dbol for the future.

bro please re read my post, i suggested for now he get his diet and training in check and he can easily gain the amount hes looking for naturally.

i suggested the longer cycle, after his photo shoot, as the bro stated he has no problems with longer cycles.

and bro the statement about looking like a puffier fish isnt true at all, if the appropriate measures are taken, there will be no bloat and min water retention.

[Billytk03z]

As far as my diet and training goes, Im on point... I got that locked down... the problem is when I try to gain naturally no matter how tight my diet is, is that when I start to add excess calories the 6 pack goes.... Im thin but have pretty decent stregnth considering im at 6-7% body fat right now... I absolutley can not gain naturally and look good... I need extra help.... so the dbol /test e will be something to run after the shoot (cuz I can get that from doc no problem) and the anavar will be what run starting this week until the shoot (which as of right now I got about 32 days before the shoot)

I was asked to do the shoot when I was in the middle of my workout so I looked incredibly ripped and vascular and had some decent size with the blood engorging my muscles... If I can keep that look somehow I will be on point.... my chest, stomach and back are actually nice, its just my arms and shoulders need some help... If I can get my shoulders and arms like around GHO5T's size it would be great, and also I would like to have some hardness....

as far as running the anavar, do I need to take test with it, can i continue on the hgh and arimidex that I am currently taking.... will I need pct?

[*Narkissos*]

If @33 yrs old you have not begun to show MPB it is unlikely that you are predisposed to such.

I'd go with the Winstrol or anavar ... and, optionally, a low dose of test prop... as you goals are truly minimal. No need to go overboard.

I don't buy that 'i can't gain naturally and look good' nonsense.

Cus that's what it is.

You don't need to lose your abs to put on size...

It just requires an intelligent approach.. and anal attention to detail.

Anyway.. back to your questions.

1. Regardless of the compound used pct is a must.
2. Yes you can continue with your regime to date (HGH etc.)

Good luck.

[Billytk03z]

Thanks for all the help guys, i appreciate it... Ok lets put this all together.... I got a source for the Tbol or Var... Im leaning toward the anavar ..... should I run test prop with the var? Or can I run the var on its own....

would something like this work?

week 1-6, anavar @ 60mg ed
week 1-8, test prop @ 100mg eod
week 1-8, arimidex @ 1/2mg every 3 days ******(already currently using)
**Asap .50mg of finasteride ed until cycle ends

<OR>

week 1-6, anavar @ 60mg


PS- already using 4iu HGH (hyge) ed.......
What would I need for a proper PCT after this?

[*Narkissos*]

Either... Ultimately it's your choice.

Personally i'd go with just the Var to supplement your GH/a-dex therapy

There are a number of pct regime threads in the pct forum on the board.

'standard therapy' is nolva + clomid + an AI for 4 weeks.

I really don't see you needing much more... but it WOULD serve for you to research the pct forum to educate yourself in your decision.

Good luck

Narkissos

[lil swoll]

Either... Ultimately it's your choice.

Personally i'd go with just the Var to supplement your GH/a-dex therapy

There are a number of pct regime threads in the pct forum on the board.

'standard therapy' is nolva + clomid + an AI for 4 weeks.

I really don't see you needing much more... but it WOULD serve for you to research the pct forum to educate yourself in your decision.

Good luck

Narkissos

Ditto, thats what I was thinking. I know people who will bloat of even low doses of test even with an AIs or SERMs. If you are like this it would be very bad for the shoot.