Hair Loss Mid Cycle What to do?

**ky123** · 12-14-2006, 03:03 PM

Hey guys, long time reader, first time to post, never needed too. Ive been cycling with this for a couple of years now, great results, no side effects.
500sus q7 1-10wk
400EQ q7 1-10wk (2shots)

Nothing fancy, i run 10nolva/Ldex throughout and clomid/20nolva/Ldex pct.

However im 30yo, and this time, at wk4 i noticed some hair loss. At that point i dropped the sus to 250Q7 and got on board 1mg finasteride QD x7days, then bumped to 1.5mg x7d. No change at all, still tons of hair falling out.

I am a doc, and after talking to my bud who's derm, it seems that my days cycling with test, or anything with a high conversion via alpha 5 reductase is over.

I know primo, var, deca , winny is easy on the hair and eq/tren is somewhat so, but is there a set cycle that is popular for bros like myself?

I understand i won't have the finasteride to help if i take deca or tren. I also understand that w/o a test-based cycle i wont be getting any of the gains i've been accustomed too, but thats cool.

I've read through many posts but i couldn'd find a solid cycle for hairloss sensitive people.

Thanks again!

**Johny-too-small** · 12-14-2006, 03:09 PM

Welcome to AR. Sorry to hear abou the hair situation. However, its only a matter of time before it would fall out anyway. The aas only quickened it.
My advice: bic it!

**Random** · 12-14-2006, 03:11 PM

I am a doc, and after talking to my bud who's derm, it seems that my days cycling with test, or anything with a high conversion via alpha 5 reductase is over.

I would use dutasteride instead of finasteride as it is much stronger,

also 1) how do you know youre losing hair? (not a joke question)

because people have normal shedding phases during the year...

CD

**Johny-too-small** · 12-14-2006, 03:15 PM

Damn, CD! Nice arms! Shiiizzzz.

**king6** · 12-14-2006, 03:18 PM

Taking fina or duta mid cycle wont do much, those products need to be taken a month in advance. Try some topical spiro, that may help slow it down.

**Random** · 12-14-2006, 03:19 PM

Thanks dude!

**Random** · 12-14-2006, 03:20 PM

Taking fina or duta mid cycle wont do much, those products need to be taken a month in advance

Duta worked well within 2 wks for me...not sure about others...

CD

**BGIZZLE8629** · 12-14-2006, 04:51 PM

so dutastride is way better than finasteride??

**Random** · 12-14-2006, 04:51 PM

Way better no question on that. theres plenty of info out there...

**king6** · 12-14-2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by BGIZZLE8629

so dutastride is way better than finasteride??

It is stonger yes. Fina effects dht reduction in the scalp. Duta does the same, but also effects dht reduction elsewhere. So other sides like acne wont be as prevalent.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-14-2006, 08:41 PM

even though they say they need 3 mos to work,both fina and duta have been shown to reduce dht more than 50% the first day. fina you can go up to 5mgs. duta is still stronger though.
Remember there is a shedding phase with both, so dont get freaked.
Estrogen could also be your problem, its bad for hair and prostate too. so, you may want to run an AI. in fact you really should, cuz limiting dht will increase estro sides, since dht blocks estro.
oh, and winny has been a problem for some.

**ky123** · 12-14-2006, 09:18 PM

Ah, ok excellent i'll look into the duta. I thought about upping the fina dose, however a derm guy i know basically said, fina's inhibition of alpha5 reductase is about 65% @ 1mg QD, but it only goes up to ~70% inhib at 1.5mg QD or greater =\. So basically the colleague of mine said 5mgs QD would be great for my prostate, but results for the hair loss would plateau.

Has anyone had this situation and changed the gear in their next cycle to be more "hair friendly"? I've been using this test e/sus w/EQ cycle for so long I have no clue about creating cycle a cycle with less test related gear and more (for e.g.) primo, var, winny etc.

**kynetguy** · 12-14-2006, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by ky123

Ah, ok excellent i'll look into the duta. I thought about upping the fina dose, however a derm guy i know basically said, fina's inhibition of alpha5 reductase is about 65% @ 1mg QD, but it only goes up to ~70% inhib at 1.5mg QD or greater =\. So basically the colleague of mine said 5mgs QD would be great for my prostate, but results for the hair loss would plateau.

Has anyone had this situation and changed the gear in their next cycle to be more "hair friendly"? I've been using this test e/sus w/EQ cycle for so long I have no clue about creating cycle a cycle with less test related gear and more (for e.g.) primo, var, winny etc.

Doc, its hair, not a penis. You don't need it. BIC THAT SHIZ!!! Women love smooth bald heads and muscles. . .you could be the next Vin Diesel all the teenagers are raving for. . .

As you know male pattern baldness is carried by the X Chromosome. Which yes, the only way you get an X is from your momma. . .Had your daddy given you his X chromosome, well, you would be split in the middle. :-)

Mom's family tree have balding men in it? You could be fighting a battle with nature that you won't win.

Hey, what was that spray on hair (paint) shit they had several years ago?

**ky123** · 12-14-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

Doc, its hair, not a penis. You don't need it. BIC THAT SHIZ!!! Women love smooth bald heads and muscles. . .you could be the next Vin Diesel all the teenagers are raving for. . .

As you know male pattern baldness is carried by the X Chromosome. Which yes, the only way you get an X is from your momma. . .Had your daddy given you his X chromosome, well, you would be split in the middle. :-)

Mom's family tree have balding men in it? You could be fighting a battle with nature that you won't win.

Hey, what was that spray on hair (paint) shit they had several years ago?

Yes well, i do understand the "bic it" approach i really do, and I'd do it too but i just joined this really good practice and i kinda wanted to keep the hair for alittle bit.

I guess im just getting old and middle class. Gone are the days of 210lbs 7%BF ripped, and dating three nursing students at the same time..... =\

Hey one question, that doc buddy of mine was alittle grey on explaining whether hair loss as a direct result of taking exogenous suppl is reversible or not. (i dont think many come out and tell him that they're cycling heh) Is it?

edit msp

**Random** · 12-14-2006, 10:35 PM

Hey one question, that doc buddy of mine was alittle grey on explaining whether hair loss as a direct result of taking exogenous suppl is reversible or not. (i dont think many come out and tell him that they're cycling heh) Is it?

While extra compounds can certainly speed up the process, i dont think they are a direct cause, the direct cause would most likely be MPB....

**king6** · 12-15-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

even though they say they need 3 mos to work,both fina and duta have been shown to reduce dht more than 50% the first day. fina you can go up to 5mgs. duta is still stronger though.
Remember there is a shedding phase with both, so dont get freaked.
Estrogen could also be your problem, its bad for hair and prostate too. so, you may want to run an AI. in fact you really should, cuz limiting dht will increase estro sides, since dht blocks estro.
oh, and winny has been a problem for some.

Never heard of a shedding phase. I'm taking duta @ .25mg/day and I don't notice any shedding. Although I have only been on it for a week.

**LatinoPR** · 12-15-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by ky123

Hey guys, long time reader, first time to post, never needed too. Ive been cycling with this for a couple of years now, great results, no side effects.
500sus q7 1-10wk
400EQ q7 1-10wk (2shots)

Nothing fancy, i run 10nolva/Ldex throughout and clomid/20nolva/Ldex pct.

However im 30yo, and this time, at wk4 i noticed some hair loss. At that point i dropped the sus to 250Q7 and got on board 1mg finasteride QD x7days, then bumped to 1.5mg x7d. No change at all, still tons of hair falling out.

I am a doc, and after talking to my bud who's derm, it seems that my days cycling with test, or anything with a high conversion via alpha 5 reductase is over.

I know primo, var, deca , winny is easy on the hair and eq/tren is somewhat so, but is there a set cycle that is popular for bros like myself?

I understand i won't have the finasteride to help if i take deca or tren. I also understand that w/o a test-based cycle i wont be getting any of the gains i've been accustomed too, but thats cool.

I've read through many posts but i couldn'd find a solid cycle for hairloss sensitive people.

Thanks again!

Take Proscar during and after the cycle,it work for me,the table comes in 5mg but cut it in 4.Take 1/4 tab a day.But be carefull....sex is not going to fell the same.

LPR....dermatology.

**sp9** · 12-16-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by king6

Never heard of a shedding phase. I'm taking duta @ .25mg/day and I don't notice any shedding. Although I have only been on it for a week.

The shedding is a good sign long term, it can be upsetting when you get to your thinnest. I started taking avodart/duta when it first came out and have over 4 years exp with it. It is much better than fina/proscar which I took prior to that.

You don't thin out over night and you don't get it back overnight either. Read up on the hair growth cycle, while dht is reduced very fast it takes a while (6-12 months) to see the full effects in the hair you see in the mirror.

Shedding is when the hairs are shocked from the dht reduction into a new growth phase. This is good but the first thing that happes to the old hair is it detaches from the follicle and a new hair begins growing below the scalp. When this happens for most of your thinning hairs you get shedding which appears that you are losing hair, but really the new hair is being created under the scalp that will have a bigger diameter and longer growth period each time around until you get maximum effects out of the drug. Each persons hair respond differntly due to their genetics.

**Getbig06** · 12-16-2006, 03:23 PM

Wouldn't it be a dream come true if they started making gear that didn't bother your hair at all (besides Anavar )

**king6** · 12-16-2006, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by sp9

The shedding is a good sign long term, it can be upsetting when you get to your thinnest. I started taking avodart/duta when it first came out and have over 4 years exp with it. It is much better than fina/proscar which I took prior to that.

You don't thin out over night and you don't get it back overnight either. Read up on the hair growth cycle, while dht is reduced very fast it takes a while (6-12 months) to see the full effects in the hair you see in the mirror.

Shedding is when the hairs are shocked from the dht reduction into a new growth phase. This is good but the first thing that happes to the old hair is it detaches from the follicle and a new hair begins growing below the scalp. When this happens for most of your thinning hairs you get shedding which appears that you are losing hair, but really the new hair is being created under the scalp that will have a bigger diameter and longer growth period each time around until you get maximum effects out of the drug. Each persons hair respond differntly due to their genetics.

Hmmm, well I am not actually losing my hair. I am just taking it as a procaution for my upcoming test e cycle. I have always had a thick head of hair. I wonder if the shedding will even occur.