my 1st cycle plz check

**wini** · 12-31-2006, 07:05 PM

my 1st cycle
week 1-8: 200mg deca ,200mg sus

as i have no clue plz let me know that what do u think as i am going to start jabbing in about 6 hours time im 19 175 pounds 16% bf

**wini** · 12-31-2006, 07:07 PM

any thoughts

**Johny-too-small** · 12-31-2006, 07:10 PM

Why would you jab yourself if you have no idea what your doing. That's stupid. You're too young and you're going to hurt youself. Sorry to be harsh, but you need it.

**Kale** · 12-31-2006, 07:18 PM

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

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**Hack72** · 12-31-2006, 07:21 PM

Are you going to do that same dosage all the way through your cycle. Ive found that a pyramid cycle works the best. When you come off you should definitaly do some clomid. If you go high with the the mgs on sustanon I would do an anti-estrogen as well, such a Nolvadex . I started a guy with your stats on a pyramid cycle of just omnadren and he got up to 213 lbs. He kept most of it to which was nice. That was his first cycle as well. Good luck bro

**wini** · 12-31-2006, 07:23 PM

bullshit i know some 19 20 year old they are like better than a 28 30 year old shape by using steroids and a strict high coloric protein diet and training like there is no tommorow!

**Johny-too-small** · 12-31-2006, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by wini

bullshit i know some 19 20 year old they are like better than a 28 30 year old shape by using steroids and a strict high coloric protein diet and training like there is no tommorow!

What does that mean? Dont come to this forum looking for answers that you're not prepared to accept. Im glad you already know everything. Good luck.

***t-gunz*** · 12-31-2006, 07:30 PM

test E @ 500mg/w would be great for 12 weeks followed by a good PCT.. 1 compund is more than enough too see how your body reacts

**pumpd4lif** · 12-31-2006, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Why would you jab yourself if you have no idea what your doing. That's stupid. You're too young and you're going to hurt youself. Sorry to be harsh, but you need it.

thats y he is here moron : /

**crash187ct** · 12-31-2006, 07:34 PM

man....you have no idea what you're doing. go ahead and start jabbin yourself...can't wait a few months down the road...."why did i not gain that much weight/strength?", "why cant i keep what i gained?", "why is my acne getting nasty...and why do i have tits?"

but i'm sure you can already answer those questions.

ps. those doses you posted, are shit. the length of your 'intended cycle' is worth a good laugh as well.

**pumpd4lif** · 12-31-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by wini

my 1st cycle
week 1-8: 200mg deca ,200mg sus

as i have no clue plz let me know that what do u think as i am going to start jabbing in about 6 hours time im 19 175 pounds 16% bf

i would just stick to 1 compound for ur first cycle
but build a good base first u will thank urself for doing things rite
take ur time do research get all ur info on everything u are doing and taking
my 1st cycle was sus only 25o mg ew for 10 weeks and i gained more then 30 lbs and this is no bs.i recomend that cycle to any first timer with low bf% for i have seen the same cycle run by a few of my freinds with similsir results

**Johny-too-small** · 12-31-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

thats y he is here moron : /

Fvck you. Why would you jab yourself in "6 hours" with a powerful aas without any clue to what your doing? Moron.

**pumpd4lif** · 12-31-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by wini

bullshit i know some 19 20 year old they are like better than a 28 30 year old shape by using steroids and a strict high coloric protein diet and training like there is no tommorow!

bro listen yes u are gonna have better gaines with minimal training and diet while using aas then when not but that isnt the point the point is to do things right get exercise in check get diet in check and know what ui r getting into
listen to these guys ,well the ones that are being agressive and u will get all the answers u are looking for

**pumpd4lif** · 12-31-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Fvck you. Why would you jab yourself in "6 hours" with a powerful aas without any clue to what your doing? Moron.

listen son im not telling the kid to do anytrhing learn how to read mr. computer tough guy

**wini** · 12-31-2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Hack72

Are you going to do that same dosage all the way through your cycle. Ive found that a piramid cycle works the best. When you come off you should definitaly do some clomid. If you go high with the the mgs on sustanon I would do an anti-estrogen as well, such a Nolvadex. I started a guy with your stats on a piramid cycle of just omnadren and he got up to 213 lbs. He kept most of it to which was nice. That was his first cycle as well. Good luck bro

so can you explain with this nolvadex and pyramid cycle?

**Kale** · 12-31-2006, 07:39 PM

OK guys out comes Rule Number 4 again. Keep it civil or you will get your arses removed from here.

4. We have a strict NO FLAME POLICY. if you continually post harrassing other members, while offering no helpful or useful information, you will be banned.

And you Wini need to watch your attitude around here if you expect to get any help at all

**pumpd4lif** · 12-31-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by wini

so can you explain with this nolvadex and pyramid cycle?

use the search feature type in nolva pct and read away my freind

**wini** · 12-31-2006, 07:45 PM

so basically ure sayin that i should stick with deca alone for about 10 weeks?plz can u make me a cycle which i could see thanks for your time pumpd

**Johny-too-small** · 12-31-2006, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

listen son im not telling the kid to do anytrhing learn how to read mr. computer tough guy

That made me laugh. I like mr. computer tough guy. But, you started it, mr. pc name caller

**Johny-too-small** · 12-31-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by wini

so basically ure sayin that i should stick with deca alone for about 10 weeks?plz can u make me a cycle which i could see thanks for your time pumpd

No. Deca alone would be bad. Test alone would be good.

**Hack72** · 12-31-2006, 08:20 PM

Nolvadex will help prevent you from getting gyno, which is a side of test steroids . A pyramid cycle is one in which you start out at a low mg dosage and work your way up until you hit your peak mg dosage, then come back down slowly until you are done. I have found it to be very effective.

**crash187ct** · 12-31-2006, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by wini

so basically ure sayin that i should stick with deca alone for about 10 weeks?plz can u make me a cycle which i could see thanks for your time pumpd

you aren't getting it. there is waaay more to it then that.

**Getbig06** · 12-31-2006, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by crash187ct

you aren't getting it. there is waaay more to it then that.

and he won't.

A good strict diet + exercise + rest would give you really good results. Try it until your body no longer changes on that alone, then change your diet and increase the amount of calories you eat and keep doing so until your body has reached it's genetic potential then consider juice. You have to work on a lot of different aspects of training and bodybuilding before you use AAS. Preferably you would read and learn everything you can about a good diet, good training, rest and you'll see that by doing this you will be a lot happier with the results you get when you are ready to take juice, which in 6 hours I don't believe you could educate yourself enough to do things correctly.... Good luck

**pumpd4lif** · 01-01-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

No. Deca alone would be bad. Test alone would be good.

no no no deca only bad idea research research cmon bro u have ur info go look at steroid profiles all ur answers are there

Johny-too-small
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That made me laugh. I like mr. computer tough guy. But, you started it, mr. pc name caller <---lol

ok i was wrong i just dont feel as tho there is any need to flame people looking for info no matter how stupid they act sorry for my rudeness

**Johny-too-small** · 01-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by pumpd4lif

ok i was wrong i just dont feel as tho there is any need to flame people looking for info no matter how stupid they act sorry for my rudeness

Flaming is bad, and I wasnt trying to do that but I understand how it was taken. My bad too.

**Brad01** · 01-01-2007, 06:31 PM

Wini--

The first thing you need to do is some homework. There is TONS of info on this site from TONS of guys who have more years experience with gear than you have been alive, so its highly disrepectful for you to say 'yeah well my friends this, and that' when obviously they don't know very much either since you cant ask them for help and have to come on here for advice. Do yourself a HUGE favor, read the section on steroid profiles and at the very least have an idea of what you are about to do, because right now you sound clueless and besides, building muscles isn't the only thing that can happen. Are you aware of possible infections? What do you do if you get one? How can you prevent getting an infection?

**z3488** · 01-01-2007, 07:36 PM

This is def. like the 3rd time ive seen this exact thread in a week. I am 19 so try to hear where im coming from. NUT UP AND EAT SOME FOOD. Push your workouts harder, and dont eat crap. Honestly dude, I am def. going to eventually use them, but at 19, I dont need them. I dont see any reason you do either. I have put on almost 20 lbs. in the last year by reading this forum, changing my diet, and busting my ass in the gym. Wait until you are at least 21 unless you want HPTA problems down the road(this happened to a close friend). Its nothing to screw around with man. Good luck and get on the best steroids around...food.
-Z

**SuperLift** · 01-01-2007, 09:01 PM

Run this----

Weeks 1-10 500mg Test E or Test C

Listen to what everyone is saying about nolva and PCT and Dieting. They are all key parts to gaining and keeping your gains. Good luck buddy.