newbie, dont bash too hard please

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:24 PM

ok guys and gals, ive been researching this stuff for a while, or at least trying to and im having a hard time peiceing it all together and getting it to flow in my head. I know im going to be asked about my diet, weight, tranning and my age. I would consider myself pretty cut and strong for my size. I now i am only 18 and that should dicourage me from using and that is what you all will tell me, but i feel and the people i train with (who are alot bigger and also use) tell me that i am ready. I have been training for 4 years and i push my self hard, very hard. one problem i weigh a feather weight of 131 pounds, my dad weighs that and NO one in my family weights over 140. I wrestle, so i eat and diet all the time and never have to cut weight to make a class i am always tring to gain it to move up. My measurments are Bi-cep=13 chest=36 waist=30 thigh=20 and caf=14. ive been all nat. since now and am looking at a simple cylce like test. To let you know how strong i am i bench 275 once and curl 50lb dumb bells 5 times in each arm, i squat 315. The reason i want to try gear is to put some weight on and get stronger. I havent gained strength for about 6-7 months in any lift and i feel i have hit a platue, could you all help me out!!!! sorry for the long drawn out shpeel but i dont want u to think i am a casual lifter and am looking for the quick fix, thanks guys dont bash me too hard just trying to figure all this complicated stuff out

**Getbig06** · 01-02-2007, 07:28 PM

Whats your diet like? How "hard" do you eat?

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 07:35 PM

you really are too small.

saying that you can't gain weight is evidence that gear is not for you. you need to understand the principles of gaining while OFF, to gain while ON.

give me an example of your diet like this:

7:00am
2 pieces of toast

9:30am
chicken breast.

get the idea? write it out like that. that will allow us to help

**Hephens** · 01-02-2007, 07:42 PM

i have to laugh at the thread name. Too many of us are having ago and bashing the newbies cause its the truth and you need to learn so you dont make any mistakes.

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:47 PM

well in the morning i eat at 6 cause i have to be at school by seven, ill eat two scoops of oatmeal, i go to two classes, come home and eat at 8:45 something like- a gronola bar and protien shake, at 10:30 Ill eat a quiznos or subway chiken carbonara foot long. then ill go to work and eat lunch at 12:30 and have a hamburger or somthing simple, no pop. (yes i know two lunches but ive had lunch at 10:30 in school always tell this year and i guess it just stuck) 2 or 3 o'clock ill have a gronola bar or two sometimes, 5:30 i eat dinner like steak, cottage cheese, massed potatos, green beans, and glass of milk. 7:30 eat whatever is left over and then around 9:30 or 10 ill eat 1 scoop of oatmeal and go to sleep for school next day, is that bad>??

**king6** · 01-02-2007, 07:48 PM

Damn! Your max bench is 275 at 135?! That is pretty good. I think my max was 155 at your age and weight.

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:48 PM

and i really am not making this up, i really do eat alot, or think i do and my friends always call me a fat ass cause of how much i eat but i just havnt been able to gain weight since soph year and am now a senior. and no one in my family on either sides of it are big people they are all small people like my self

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:49 PM

one of my buddy's has a video on his phone of it idk if i can post it or not or if he still has it

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 07:49 PM

well it ain't good enough.

you need to eat every 2-3hrs religiously. and every meal should contain around 20 grams of protein. i could go on forever. but the basics are covered in the diet and training forums.

check them out and read those sticky's.

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:50 PM

i never thought it was that great i just thought i worked harder than everyone else and if they did the same they could be there too but i guess not.

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 07:51 PM

UNoffical "How to Cut" thread and sample diet...

here is a start

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 07:53 PM

thanks, just out of curiosity, i want to do it right i mean but what would be a cycle to start with, dont feel obliged to answer cause im not one of those kids that just want they answer to blow the other stuff off and start gear

**kynetguy** · 01-02-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by truelylittle

I now i am only 18 and that should dicourage me from using and that is what you all will tell me, but i feel and the people i train with (who are alot bigger and also use) tell me that i am ready.

1) You know we all are going to tell you the health risks of gear before you are done with puberty, right? Your body is a hormonal wreck right now, your natty test is higher now that it will EVER be again in your life. Once you hit about 25 its going to be a steady decline from there.

2) Your "friends" need to be replaced if they are trying to get you on gear at 18. Your "friends" obviously do not have the vast amount of knowledge on gear that I *PROMISE* you will find here.

No one will talk you out of it if you let yourself subcomb to the peer pressure. However, I am telling you as a "friend" to stay away from it for a couple years. Eat eat eat eat and bust your ass in the gym. Size will come. Your natty test is just beginning to "kick in." Don't risk perm. damage to your endocrine system just because your "friends" say you are ready. You are not.

I didn't stop "filling out" until I was nearly 24. So at 18, you still have pleanty of time to get bigger if you maintain a good diet and solid work outs.

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hephens

i have to laugh at the thread name. Too many of us are having ago and bashing the newbies cause its the truth and you need to learn so you dont make any mistakes.

well you might be, but i assure you no one else is.

especially in this thread. all i see is legitamite members offereing legitamite help.

BTW, you are a newbie.

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

1) You know we all are going to tell you the health risks of gear before you are done with puberty, right? Your body is a hormonal wreck right now, your natty test is higher now that it will EVER be again in your life. Once you hit about 25 its going to be a steady decline from there.

2) Your "friends" need to be replaced if they are trying to get you on gear at 18. Your "friends" obviously do not have the vast amount of knowledge on gear that I *PROMISE* you will find here.

No one will talk you out of it if you let yourself subcomb to the peer pressure. However, I am telling you as a "friend" to stay away from it for a couple years. Eat eat eat eat and bust your ass in the gym. Size will come. Your natty test is just beginning to "kick in." Don't risk perm. damage to your endocrine system just because your "friends" say you are ready. You are not.

I didn't stop "filling out" until I was nearly 24. So at 18, you still have pleanty of time to get bigger if you maintain a good diet and solid work outs.

words of wisdom kynetguy.

here is some quality info.

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 08:07 PM

thanks, i read the diet thread you sent, ill just give that a shot for a few months and just see if it does anything, guessing it will. ill just have to write out like a weeks diet and repeat it for a few weeks tell i get it perfect. sorry if i sound like an idiot

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 08:09 PM

oh i belive him, i guess i just get disscouraged while lifting cause some other friends of mine are alot bigger then me and i lift more (friends not on gear) but they are making more gains and i have just kind of hit a hard spot i guess

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 08:12 PM

yes, you are like me, a hard gainer.

this means you will have to work harder and have much more commitment than the other fellows who can just gain huge arms by curling their coffee mugs.

with my solid diet, i managed to pack on 44 lbs in 9 months

trust me. diet is first, then rest, then training, then right at the end once everything is done, gear.

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 08:19 PM

i guess i just cant figure the diet part out, i mean obviously im doing something right to be as strong as i am for my size, i mean yea my buddie that weigh 225 are benching like 300 but **** they have way more size, idk, could like the YMCA, where i lift and at school, write me out the proper diet and different foods so they dont get old and i have something to follow

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 08:20 PM

p.s tell me if i am wrong

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 08:20 PM

????

just stick to the new diet plan. forget everything you think you know. you will just confuse yourself. and me

**truelylittle** · 01-02-2007, 08:24 PM

hahaha dude im already confused but ill do that and stop confusing u

**Mista Massive** · 01-02-2007, 08:52 PM

good luck

**ftony** · 01-02-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by kynetguy

1) You know we all are going to tell you the health risks of gear before you are done with puberty, right? Your body is a hormonal wreck right now, your natty test is higher now that it will EVER be again in your life. Once you hit about 25 its going to be a steady decline from there.

2) Your "friends" need to be replaced if they are trying to get you on gear at 18. Your "friends" obviously do not have the vast amount of knowledge on gear that I *PROMISE* you will find here.

No one will talk you out of it if you let yourself subcomb to the peer pressure. However, I am telling you as a "friend" to stay away from it for a couple years. Eat eat eat eat and bust your ass in the gym. Size will come. Your natty test is just beginning to "kick in." Don't risk perm. damage to your endocrine system just because your "friends" say you are ready. You are not.

I didn't stop "filling out" until I was nearly 24. So at 18, you still have pleanty of time to get bigger if you maintain a good diet and solid work outs.

Great advice ....says it all, but you know these kids dont listen.

**kynetguy** · 01-04-2007, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by ftony

Great advice ....says it all, but you know these kids dont listen.

I don't know. This one may. Seems to have a good head.

**kynetguy** · 01-04-2007, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by truelylittle

i guess i just cant figure the diet part out, i mean obviously im doing something right to be as strong as i am for my size, i mean yea my buddie that weigh 225 are benching like 300 but **** they have way more size, idk, could like the YMCA, where i lift and at school, write me out the proper diet and different foods so they dont get old and i have something to follow

From your family description, you are probablly fighting an uphill battle with genetics. You have never keep huge size. Even if you do gear, your friends may be bigger. Some people are just blessed with a genetic makeup that makes big guns easy. All of us aren't like that. . .unfortunately for me.

Like massive said, throw anything you know about food out the window, because its wrong. Follow some of these sample diets around here until you learn the facts behind what they are doing. Then you can switch things up to better suit your taste. You just have to know what you are switching around and why.

And don't shy away from lean beef because you think chicken is better. Lean beef (unless you are from india and worshop cows) is ful of great enzymes and protiens and helps boost your natty test too. I HATE chicken. I eat it, ut it is so boring.