just curious about liver hepatoxicity

**odix** · 01-05-2007, 09:32 PM

We all know steroids are hard on the liver especially certain orals, a dispute to this would be idiotic... but has anyone here ever heard of a case where someone actually died from the combination ?

**guest589745** · 01-05-2007, 09:33 PM

Nope.

The hepatotoxicity of orals can be debated.

**guest589745** · 01-05-2007, 09:35 PM

I have seen studies (2) that have shown people to be admitted to the ER when using dbol /winstrol but there is too many variables that were unknown.

Did they have liver problems to begin with?
Did they drink a lot?
Did they use protective supps ?
How do they know the dose they told them was exact/true ?

**odix** · 01-05-2007, 09:38 PM

you think ill be alright on 50 mg dbol 1-4 then winstrol 7-1 same dose.... not on any protective supps...its just weird cause i hear of ppl running 100mg of winny for 12 weeks with no problems.

also does cardio clean the liver ?

**guest589745** · 01-05-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by odix

you think ill be alright on 50 mg dbol 1-4 then winstrol 7-1 same dose.... not on any protective supps...its just weird cause i hear of ppl running 100mg of winny for 12 weeks with no problems.

also does cardio clean the liver ?

What ? 7-1 ?

Yuo could be fine adn most likely will be but like I said, get bloodwork to make sure. It is your guide.

Cardio is a must, just plan on doing it 3-4x a week for 45 min no matter what. There is so many benefits to it.

**odix** · 01-05-2007, 09:43 PM

7-12, just saw the other post...shoulda known it was a dumb question ;p alright bro thanks. Those cases you saw were they 100% recovery ?

**guest589745** · 01-05-2007, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by odix

7-12, just saw the other post...shoulda known it was a dumb question ;p alright bro thanks. Those cases you saw were they 100% recovery ?

They recovered drastically after cesation of orals and they lived.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 01-05-2007, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Skullsmasher

What ? 7-1 ?

Yuo could be fine adn most likely will be but like I said, get bloodwork to make sure. It is your guide.

Cardio is a must, just plan on doing it 3-4x a week for 45 min no matter what. There is so many benefits to it.

why so much cardio? do we know if he is def cutting?

**guest589745** · 01-05-2007, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

why so much cardio? do we know if he is def cutting?

Its really not that much and its benefits are worth it.

**evil pepsi** · 01-05-2007, 11:00 PM

worst-case scenarios:
-toxic hepatitis sets in, with flu-like symptoms, and its ignored. this can lead to liver disease and/or cirrhosis.
-possible hepatic coma sets in, which can lead to death.
you have to really do some damage to your liver over a long period for this to happen. can steroids do this? yes, if you do not know what you are doing...

**goalseeker** · 01-05-2007, 11:50 PM

I ran too much Tren A for too long and got jaundice... eyes went yellow, skin went pale, urine was SUPER dark.. just finished 2 months of bloodwork, Hep tests, Liver testing etc... The most brutal part was the itching that the jaundice caused.. tore my skin open from all the scratching.. It was unbearable....... NEVER AGAIN