First Cycle!!! Suggestions from All Experienced

**topnotch** · 01-07-2007, 08:51 PM

Hey, I am a newbie, and know quite a bit about training, dieting, and AS. But not near as experienced as I would like to be, nor as smart as many of you all. I am 21 years old, been lifting hard since I was 13 and not taking any time off except for almost a year for a broken wrist I was letting heal. I train balls out, in a powerlifting/bodybuilding style to maximize strength and size. My weight fluctuates between 200-210, and I would guess myself between a 13-16% bodyfat. For my first cycle, I have 4 10ml vials- Test Cyp 250
I have 2 10 ml vials of deca 300. 200 5mg tabs of d-bol. 100 10mg winstrol tabs, and approximately 60 7.5 mg winstrol tabs. Also, have clomid and hcg for PCT. I am on 2nd week now and would like suggestions.

1-20: Test Cyp. 500/week one shot a week
1-20: Deca 300/week (Load 1cc w/ 2cc of test and shoot in quad)
1-6: 30 mg d-bol/everyday
15-20: 30mg winstrol/everyday

Please give me suggestions, and advice. I can change it around. I know some don't recommend 20 weeks for a first-timer, so maybe I could up my dosage of each and cut back. Also any changes to the d-bol or winstrol? Thanks

**topnotch** · 01-07-2007, 09:00 PM

bmup

**SMAN12b** · 01-07-2007, 09:03 PM

way to much for a first cycle! If you want to do it right, then just go with the Test Cyp at 500/week shot TWICE a week not once, save the other stuff for future cycles. If you must use something else, then jsut use the dbol to kick start but leave the deca and winny out of this cycle so you can LEARN how your body reacts to each compound

Do NOT do a 20 week cycle for your first go . 10-12 at the most is all you will need as gains will fall off after that anyway and be a waste of compounds. Deca should always be cut short of test by two weeks and your winny timing is ALL off....you need much more research before using them ok??

**topnotch** · 01-07-2007, 09:08 PM

This cycle I had another experienced AS user and bodybuilder form it for me. Why do I cut the Deca 2 weeks short? Also, what do you mean by the winny timing being off? When should I take it and also what dose?

**SMAN12b** · 01-07-2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by topnotch

This cycle I had another experienced AS user and bodybuilder form it for me. Why do I cut the Deca 2 weeks short? Also, what do you mean by the winny timing being off? When should I take it and also what dose?

Has to do with the half lives and how long deca stays in your system. PCT should start 14 days after last Test Shot, and for winny it is the following day. Therefore, you would actuall run the winny two weeks longer than your test and stop the deca two weeks short of your test, BUT it still is way too much for a first cycle and if you are using oral dbol and oral winny, then you are using 12 weeks of Harsh orals,,,,,,,,, NOT SMART

**JAYROD** · 01-07-2007, 09:53 PM

500mg test c e/w for 12 weeks
30mg d-bol e/d for first 4 weeks
good 1st cycle imo.

**topnotch** · 01-08-2007, 11:16 AM

Thanks for the help guys.. so if I cut my cycle back from 20 weeks, should I maybe up the test cyp. to possibly 750 after maybe 6 weeks or so? Any suggestions? Also, I have Clomid and hcg for pct.. what are your recommendations for that? Thanks everyone for helping me

**SMAN12b** · 01-08-2007, 11:30 AM

No No No No No........

This is your FIRST cycle, why are you so hell bent on doing so much??
You do NOT need that much in the first few cycles. Hell, I have been cycleing for over 8 years and still find no need for more than 600mgs of Test in any one cycle!
500mgs for the 12 weeks will do you just fine if and only if you are training adn eating correctly for your goals!!
If you can't grow off of 500mgs for your first cycle, then either A) your gear is fake, and/or B) your diet and training are not correct

**topnotch** · 01-08-2007, 11:56 AM

I'm not set on doing so much, I've just had a couple friends who are very experienced that tell me my first cycle is when I need to hit it hard, b/c I will gain better and more on the first cycle than any other. So, in your opinion, I should just keep the extra test for another cycle down the road. My goals are to gain strength and size, while not holding too much water weight..the reason I wanted to throw the winny in at the end just to tighten up some. I train correctly and diet correctly. Currently taking in at least 350 grams of protein/day sometimes more, and weigh only app. 205. I do appreciate your help though. I'm just trying to find out these things, that way I can adjust accordingly. Thanks for the help SMan..I can see by your pic you definately know your stuff.

**Jefferey** · 01-08-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by JAYROD

500mg test c e/w for 12 weeks
30mg d-bol e/d for first 4 weeks
good 1st cycle imo.

Agree..Perfect cycle...

Poster: Deca for 20 weeks...This could create one hell of a time to recover..

**SMAN12b** · 01-08-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by topnotch

I'm not set on doing so much, I've just had a couple friends who are very experienced that tell me my first cycle is when I need to hit it hard, b/c I will gain better and more on the first cycle than any other. So, in your opinion, I should just keep the extra test for another cycle down the road. My goals are to gain strength and size, while not holding too much water weight..the reason I wanted to throw the winny in at the end just to tighten up some. I train correctly and diet correctly. Currently taking in at least 350 grams of protein/day sometimes more, and weigh only app. 205. I do appreciate your help though. I'm just trying to find out these things, that way I can adjust accordingly. Thanks for the help SMan..I can see by your pic you definately know your stuff.

Your friends may have "experience" with AAS, but I certainly question their knowledge on the subject. If this is your first cycle, your virgin receptors are gonna act like sponges and you will make incredible gains off the minimial amount of compounds...it is after years of saturating your receptors over and over again that it requires higher doses to get the same results.

IF you eat correctly at least 6-8 complete meals a day, one every 2.5-3 hours, and you consume the right amounts, and train you butt off, you can grow like a weed on a 500mg/week cycle.

Second cycle add the deca for ten weeks and test for 12 and continue to learn how your body will respond to each compound

Good luck with whichever way you choose to go

**POSH** · 01-08-2007, 02:34 PM

I agree to "hit it hard" on the first cycle.......that is hit the GYM HARD. Your AAS usage should be kept to a mininum. Everyone is right, your receptor will respond amazing well to a low dose.

One thing you need to understand: You WILL grow if you take steroids any way you want...for the most part...but there is a definate Right way to grow and Wrong way to grow. No one is saying your cycles wouldn't work, just the whole concept of this forum is to tell people the RIGHT way to use AAS. FYI - 99% of your friends (and my friends) who juice have little to no clue what they are doing. I have several friends who have been using AAS for years and they are complete morons as far as AAS education goes. Education= less health risks and better results.

Always take the word of this board over anything you here at the gym.

Last, but def. not least, you should have an anti-estrogen on hand during every cycle. I would suggest some nolvadex . That way if you start getting bad estrogen side effects during your cycle, you can thwart them immediately w/ the nolvadex and then order some letro. This is better that starting to grow tits, then realizing you cant get a hold of your source. I agree with the test/dbol cycle above. Normally it should be just test, but I personally don't think the dbol would do any harm.

Good Luck!

**topnotch** · 01-08-2007, 03:53 PM

Thanks guys, I'm gonna go with your advice on this. Plus then since I have spent so much money on this at it was high b/c of my source, I will have some left over and my next cycle will be cheaper. Thanks again everyone..anymore advice would help.. If I don't take the d-bol to kickstart then what would you all suggest w/ the winstrol ? I would like to take it at the end just to harden up some. If I take it for my last 4 weeks and 2 weeks after dropping the test, is that alright? If so what mg? Thanks guys

**Booz** · 01-08-2007, 04:03 PM

steroids are only the icing on the cake mate nothin else,1st cycle keep it small................

**SMAN12b** · 01-08-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Booz

steroids are only the icing on the cake mate nothin else,1st cycle keep it small................

Mmmmmm cake with icicng.....*lips watering* yummy...lolol

**topnotch** · 01-08-2007, 10:12 PM

haha sman must be dieting if he's watering over icing right now...i never did get any suggestions about the winstrol as a hardening at the end of my cycle. I know sman said I need to run it til about 2 weeks after the test for the pct to work correctly. Is it good to run it at the end for getting hard though? And also what mg/day?

**POSH** · 01-09-2007, 12:47 AM

I would say just stick with the test. But if you HAD to run the winny, do it up to 50mg. eod for the last 4 weeks.

**SMAN12b** · 01-09-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by POSH

I would say just stick with the test. But if you HAD to run the winny, do it up to 50mg. eod for the last 4 weeks.

Negative on that!! Due to the short (8-12 hour) effective half life of winny, it should be taken no less than ED and 2-3 per day would be best. 50mgs/ED would be a good start, and ONLY the last 6 weeks of the cycle. This will ONLY give you good results IF and only if your diet has been correct and your bodyfat already low enough by the time you start the winny

**topnotch** · 01-09-2007, 06:41 PM

Alright thanks sman. I appreciate all your advice. You really know your stuff. I'm glad I joined this forum b/c of all the great advice and knowledge here.