Tapering dosages can help some Bodybuilders

**marcus300** · 01-23-2007, 03:33 AM

Pyramiding dosages is old school and getting a stable blood level straight away is the best way to cycle but for some bodybuilders tapering the dose at the end of cycle can be of great benefit,

With any drug we build up tolerance which in turn creates dependency and when stop withdrawal symptoms appear, it doesn't happen for some but if we are all honest with ourselves who suffer when coming of this is a must procedure to help and even stop all withdrawal symptoms, I know that AAS are not like most drugs and it doesn't give an instant euphoria experience but we do kind of get euphoria of some kind when cycling weather its at the start or middle of the cycle, but the guys who do feel physical or mental dependence can really be helped with this protocol of tapering,

Some bodybuilders have problems after the cycle ends and tapering can reduce or even stop these problems,Withdrawal symptoms can vary significantly among individuals but if you suffer any of these problems it may be worth trying -

Libido issues,
Depression,
acne,
Agression,
Muscle loss and having problems recovery,
Weight gained from cycle is all lost in the off period,

If you suffer from any of the above this protocol of tapering can help dramatically with the problems with the symptoms of withdrawal of test, its like any drug we use there are always forms of withdrawal from the body some suffer more than others and some simple just go back on cycle which stops the problems which results in even more sides/problems eventually,

Tapering slowly after cycle helps with all the above problems and Ive used it many different ways over the yrs depending on which kind of cycle am doing, for me the best way is during a normal cycle i would start to drop the compounds off (like in any cycle end)until am left with the base of the cycle which would be test for me, then i would start to taper down the test, the amount of taper would depend on how much your taking but a taper down each wk will help with withdrawal syptoms,

I know that your HPTA is still suppressed weather your on 200mg per wk or 2000mg per wk but on experience you can bring yourself back up alot easier when you have tapered down to a low amount of mg per wk than when running a high amount and suddenly stopping and go into pct, or at least if feels like you can mentally, either way if it stops the above problems its defo worth a try for the BB's who suffer in this department,

You feel better, no sex drive problems, pct is alot easier and quicker or so it seems, no depression and most of all muscle tissue loss in kept to minimum, Tapering at the start of a cycle is a no no but at the end its worth a try if you suffer from some of the problem up above,

All you can do is try it and see if it benefits you in recovering and with withdrawals symptoms of test, Ive seen it work great with the guys who struggle with coming off even if they have done an aggressive pct,

I know some people will say it wont help with recovering faster but the truth of the matter it does, Ive done it, Ive seen it done many times but like everything in this business we are all in, in some it works and in some it doesn't because no matter what it says in studies when we use chemicals in the human body we all react differently WE DONT ALL REACT THE SAME when using chemicals,

Taper down to a low amount then an aggressive PCT, problem solved

**Property of Steroid.com** · 01-23-2007, 05:24 AM

I agree to a point....

Tapering won't help you recover faster. Even while you have 100mgs of test being shot into your system, it won't allow any recovery at all.

Tapering will (perhaps) lessen psychological sides, and allow less of a crash if you're prone to that kind of thing. It will not allow any HPTA recovery at all...but it can lessen the crash (maybe). I haven't seen evidence other than anecdotal for the last part, but if people think it helps with that, then I see no reason for them not to do it.

I can provide several studies showing that even 100 mgs of test or deca will cause 100% HPTA suppression....therefore I don't believe that tapering down to that dose will magically allow recvovery of HPTA, when studies show that dose to fully shut you down.

AGAIN, there are (possibly) other reasons to taper (I don't reccomend it)....but recovery of HPTA is probably not one of them...unless you somehow are not inhibited by the same dose which studies show to be inhibitory.

**marcus300** · 01-23-2007, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

I agree to a point....
Tapering won't help you recover faster. Even while you have 100mgs of test being shot into your system, it won't allow any recovery at all.

Tapering will (perhaps) lessen psychological sides, and allow less of a crash if you're prone to that kind of thing. It will not allow any HPTA recovery at all...but it can lessen the crash (maybe). I haven't seen evidence other than anecdotal for the last part, but if people think it helps with that, then I see no reason for them not to do it.

I can provide several studies showing that even 100 mgs of test or deca will cause 100% HPTA suppression....therefore I don't believe that tapering down to that dose will magically allow recvovery of HPTA, when studies show that dose to fully shut you down.

AGAIN, there are (possibly) other reasons to taper (I don't reccomend it)....but recovery of HPTA is probably not one of them...unless you somehow are not inhibited by the same dose which studies show to be inhibitory.

Am not talking of recovery of the HPTA and talking about the withdrawal syptoms some BB's suffer from,

I know that your HPTA is still suppressed weather your on 200mg per wk or 2000mg per wk but on experience you can bring yourself back up alot easier when you have tapered down to a low amount of mg per wk than when running a high amount and suddenly stopping and go into pct, or at least if feels like you can mentally, either way if it stops the above problems its defo worth a try for the BB's who suffer in this department,

**vitor** · 01-23-2007, 05:50 AM

"I think" tapering would only be needed when running AAS attached to a short ester,
Lets say you run Propionate 300 mg ed, then stop, going from 300 mg to 0 mg ed might cause a psychological shock/crash.

But if run a drug attached to a long acting ester like Decanoate, it will keep realising in your system several weeks after you stop the cycle, and taper it self down in a way.

**marcus300** · 01-23-2007, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

"I think" tapering would only be needed when running AAS attached to a short ester,
Lets say you run Propionate 300 mg ed, then stop, going from 300 mg to 0 mg ed might cause a psychological shock/crash.

But if run a drug attached to a long acting ester like Decanoate, it will keep realising in your system several weeks after you stop the cycle, and taper it self down in a way.

I havent gone into how to taper yet but i would suggest if you was using a long ester that it swapped to a short ester then tapered down, the withdrawals syptoms what some BB's suffer from are drasticly reduced weather its mental or physical if it stops the syptoms whats a couple of more wks at a lowering dose going to do, nothing except benefiting the BB.

**fLgAtOr** · 01-23-2007, 06:17 AM

Let me ask a stupid question here. If you're running 2 grams a week of test, two weeks after your last shot, you're still going to have X amount of test floating around. (This is based on the "half-life, correct?) Well, you would have more than if you were running 500mg EW, correct?

This is where tapering seems logical, IMO.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-23-2007, 06:18 AM

well it cant hurt and it might help. sounds good to me.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 01-23-2007, 06:23 AM

The only downfall with it is that you actally remain on the steroids for a longer amount of time, and don't begin your recovery for weeks longer (when the steroids are out of your system). In my estimation, if you taper for 4-6 weeks, you probably would have had recovered your HPTA by then anyway... and avoided a crash.

I think it's only useful for people who know they can't just run PCT....for most people an aggressive PCT is probably the better choice...I'm more of a fan of beginning recovery ASAP instead of prolonging the time on drugs.

**marcus300** · 01-23-2007, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

The only downfall with it is that you actally remain on the steroids for a longer amount of time, and don't begin your recovery for weeks longer (when the steroids are out of your system). In my estimation, if you taper for 4-6 weeks, you probably would have had recovered your HPTA by then anyway... and avoided a crash.

I think it's only useful for people who know they can't just run PCT....for most people an aggressive PCT is probably the better choice...I'm more of a fan of beginning recovery ASAP instead of prolonging the time on drugs.

Like ive said for some BB's who suffer from withdrawal syptoms of test recovery is harder for them because they are dealing with many issues than the people who dont suffer,its the problems what ocour when the test is stopped and not the pct,

i also wouldnt advice staying on for 4-6 weks longer, if a taper is something your going to do and a long ester is being used id swap the long ester to a fast one and start the taper down, the length of taper depends on how much he is taking in mg per wk some case its only 2-3 wks,

whats 2-3 wks extra on a low dose test going to do except lengthen the cycle and start pf pct, if it stops or aids the withdrawal problems, which in some BB's is bad to cope with its a lifesaver for some, but only if you suffer from the above problems,

If Bodybuilders who suffer from the problems after cycle a taper will aid the problems then a aggressive PCT can be started, if it helps with the problems weather its a mental or physical its defo worth a try

**Property of Steroid.com** · 01-23-2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Like ive said for some BB's who suffer from withdrawal syptoms of test recovery is harder for them because they are dealing with many issues than the people who dont suffer,

i also wouldnt advice staying on for 4-6 weks longer, if a taper is something your going to do and a long ester is being used id swap the long ester to a fast one and start the taper down, the length of taper depends on how much he is taking in mg per wk some case its only 2-3 wks,

If Bodybuilders who suffer from the problems after cycle a taper will aid the problems then a aggressive PCT can be started, if it helps with the problems weather its a mental or physical its defo worth a try

I think....and this is my own opinion....that if you suffer mentally from steroid withdrawal, then you need to not use steroids at all.

**marcus300** · 01-23-2007, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

I think....and this is my own opinion....that if you suffer mentally from steroid withdrawal, then you need to not use steroids at all.

Many suffer from this if they are honest with themselves, when we use any type of drug we build up some form of tolerance and recieve some kind of withdrawal, in some its bad,

Libido issues,
Depression,
acne,
Agression,
Muscle loss and having problems recovering,
Weight gained from cycle is all lost in the off period,

If its aids or stops the problems its worth a try.

**LittleBritain** · 01-31-2007, 08:51 AM

Do you think that tapering might start to bring shgb levels down?

**Chocolate** · 01-31-2007, 08:57 AM

nice post marcus. i have found doing this helps, mainly for me it's about:

"Depression"
"Muscle loss and having problems recovering"

**Ufa** · 01-31-2007, 09:05 AM

Tapering works for me. After a couple of weeks test gels with out esters can make you feel better. Works for me, can't speak for any body else.

**Halfcenturian** · 01-31-2007, 09:42 AM

Good advice, Marcus. I am tapering down from 750/wk to 150/week, at 100mg/wk. Then I'm on HRT dose for next 3 months.

**marcus300** · 01-31-2007, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Halfcenturian

Good advice, Marcus. I am tapering down from 750/wk to 150/week, at 100mg/wk. Then I'm on HRT dose for next 3 months.

Thanks
Yes its a must when your on HRT,,

**frank12391** · 01-31-2007, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

I think....and this is my own opinion....that if you suffer mentally from steroid withdrawal, then you need to not use steroids at all.

Absolutely, I have to agree. Vulnerable people with emotional, psychological or mental problems should not use at all. You must be a stable person. How is an unstable person capable of the discipline and commitment to training, dieting and so on. They are bound to screw up. With aas you are not just taking one risk but a chain of many risks. legal, financial, health. Lets look at it more closely.

For a large percentage of users, especially the inexperienced,
every time you embark on a cycle, you gotta ask yourself,

Source, is the source reputable?
UGL, is the lab reputable?
Paying, are you getting scammed?
Monry, can u really afford it?
ordering, are you gonna get caught?
Storing, Is anyone going to find it, Wife or kids
Transporting, are you gonna get caught with it in your possession?
Administering it, are you gonna get an infection? Aseptic techniques
Diet, do you have the correct diet?
training, are you training correctly, are you at risk of injury?
Result, did you even get your desired result?
Health, What is it done to your health? how has it affected you emotionally, psychologically, mentally

Some people are just asking for it