My first; win, deca. hit me with some feedback

**Minisin** · 02-02-2007, 04:10 PM

uke1 1.0ml/200mg deca 1,5 30mgwin om dagen
uke2 1.5ml/300mg Deca 2 40mgwin om dagen
uke3 1.5ml/300mg deca 2 40mgwin om dagen
uke4 2.0ml/400mg deca 2 40mgwin om dagen
uke5 1.5ml/300mg deca
uke6 1.5ml/300mg deca
uke7 1.0ml/200mg deca

ok this is what im going for, i heard i don't need to think of any PCT on this little cycle. Im going to follow diet and do cardio ( with weights also ofc ), and the last 3 weeks i do weights only. Does this seems good? Im also going to use Xenon products and would like some feedback on those if there is anything i should know.

cheers

**theboss** · 02-02-2007, 04:13 PM

did you do any research or how did you come up with this and the idea that you dont need PCT ?

**x_moe** · 02-02-2007, 04:16 PM

bad cycle, ull always need a pct

**Venomous Nemisis** · 02-02-2007, 04:32 PM

I really hope that you haven't started and are still open to opinions from people with experience. THIS IS AN EXTREMLY BAD CYCLE. First off you should be running some sort of test, your HPTA is going to take a serious thrashing, secondly you are proposing a 7 week cycle, Deca takes about six weeks to kick. I would advise that you do some serious research before you start sticking yourself. PCT is just as important as your cycle itself, ever heard of a negitive feedback loop. Steroids are not something to rush into, they'll still be there after you have researched and educated yourself enough to understand the risks involved.

**Venomous Nemisis** · 02-02-2007, 04:50 PM

also winny is usually added to the end of a cycle to harden and give you a more "dry" appearance.

**Minisin** · 02-02-2007, 04:50 PM

well i thought about clomid but after reading some clomid only delays the progress. And im always open for other peoples opinion so keep then comming

i do want a small cycle though so give me some tips

**Megaherz** · 02-02-2007, 04:58 PM

To be as frank as possible, this cycle sucks!!!!!
Where's the Test? Deca will shut you down hardcore and you will
suffer negative side effects especially sexual if you don't combine
deca with testosterone . Also, it really takes a while for it to kick
in, so in that case, your cycle is too short. You also will absolutely
need PCT. As little as 100mg of deca will shut down your natural
test production. I think you need to do lots more research before
considering a cycle.

**Minisin** · 02-02-2007, 05:02 PM

Well im glad i posted, i have been doing alot of research. And it seems like norwegian forum lacks experince then :\ since i got decent feedback on the cycle and the guys at the gym said a cycle like that would not require any pct. So is there any way i can do this without adding testo? I want a nice calm first cycle and see how i react to it.

**kaberle_15** · 02-02-2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Minisin

Well im glad i posted, i have been doing alot of research. And it seems like norwegian forum lacks experince then :\ since i got decent feedback on the cycle and the guys at the gym said a cycle like that would not require any pct. So is there any way i can do this without adding testo? I want a nice calm first cycle and see how i react to it.

The cycle you want to do sucks like everyone said and I think you should reconsider and come up with a new plan. Test is sworn by many to be the base of every cycle so I suggest you add some.

What are your stats first of all? post those and I'm sure you will get the help you are looking for to design a better cycle if you are ready.

**Megaherz** · 02-02-2007, 05:10 PM

Generally it's a really bad idea to take deca at all without test.
I think you should first establish what you're specific goals are.
I don't think there's anything worth taking that won't eventually
shut you down. PCT is as much a part of the game as anything
else. Maybe oral T-bol would work but I'd be surprised if that
didn't shut you down eventually depending on the dosage/length of
cycle.

**Venomous Nemisis** · 02-02-2007, 05:12 PM

It does not sound like you are ready for steroids yet but, if you have your mind made up then scroll to the top of this screen and click on Steroid Resources, then click Steroid Cycles on the left side of the screen, click on the novice 1 cycle and read what it says and answer those questions honestly to yourself if you feel that you are ready then go with it. DO NOT START A CYCLE WITHOUT EVERYTHING YOU NEED ie. enough pins, all your gear (probably 1-2 10mL amps of cyp. or enanthate ) all of your clomid and/or nolva. Don't start unless you have EVERYTHING you need, if your source says here's 7 pins I'll give the rest next week, wait the week b4 starting. Do you plan on jabing yourself or do you have a partner. Not knowing how and where and when to inject is VERY DANGEROUS. So do your research, ask questions if your searches do not answer your questions, get your post count up so that you can check the authentisity of your gear and good luck.

**Venomous Nemisis** · 02-02-2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Minisin

Well im glad i posted, i have been doing alot of research. And it seems like norwegian forum lacks experince then :\ since i got decent feedback on the cycle and the guys at the gym said a cycle like that would not require any pct. So is there any way i can do this without adding testo? I want a nice calm first cycle and see how i react to it.

Do not listen to this guy. He is a shithead.

**Cat316** · 02-02-2007, 05:41 PM

Deca dick is on the way w/o pct

**Minisin** · 02-02-2007, 08:02 PM

So umm obviously i have heard wrong stuff and read wrong places. Anyone care to enlighten me about a cycle i can run that's not too hard? My goal is getting a bit more ripped while not loosing muscle mass ( preferly gaining some ). I thought win would be ok to stop bloating, aswell as tighten up ( i know it does not burn fat ), and deca to get the extra muscle gain while getting more athletic body.

Thanks again for all the concern!

**kaberle_15** · 02-02-2007, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Minisin

So umm obviously i have heard wrong stuff and read wrong places. Anyone care to enlighten me about a cycle i can run that's not too hard? My goal is getting a bit more ripped while not loosing muscle mass ( preferly gaining some ). I thought win would be ok to stop bloating, aswell as tighten up ( i know it does not burn fat ), and deca to get the extra muscle gain while getting more athletic body.

Thanks again for all the concern!

What do you look like now? What are your stats?

**Venomous Nemisis** · 02-02-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Minisin

So umm obviously i have heard wrong stuff and read wrong places. Anyone care to enlighten me about a cycle i can run that's not too hard? My goal is getting a bit more ripped while not loosing muscle mass ( preferly gaining some ). I thought win would be ok to stop bloating, aswell as tighten up ( i know it does not burn fat ), and deca to get the extra muscle gain while getting more athletic body.

Thanks again for all the concern!

Did you look at steroid cycles like I suggested???

**Minisin** · 02-02-2007, 08:28 PM

i look like umm, well im 1.70 cm high and weight around 90KG. i have dropped 5kg and 4cm around my belly in about 20'ish days by eating right and doing alot of cardio, but i also notice my muscles is going down since im currently putting most my time on ripping. I have have been training serious for for a few years now and i did a semi bulk this winter ( no juice ).

Nemisis: im look there and it seems like i need testo while doing deca , along with some anti-progesteronic drugs just incase. I would love a recommendation of a half-short cycle not requireing too many injections though and not lasting too long ( for a more athletic body )

**passthetest** · 02-02-2007, 08:31 PM

If it is your first cycle you should most likely just run either test cyp or enthanate. I wouldnt go with deca winstrol its just not well thought out let alone without test. Maybe you could try running test twice a week @ 250 mgs for 10 weeks.

**armbar83** · 02-02-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Minisin

i look like umm, well im 1.70 cm high and weight around 90KG. i have dropped 5kg and 4cm around my belly in about 20'ish days by eating right and doing alot of cardio, but i also notice my muscles is going down since im currently putting most my time on ripping. I have have been training serious for for a few years now and i did a semi bulk this winter ( no juice ).

Nemisis: im look there and it seems like i need testo while doing deca, along with some anti-progesteronic drugs just incase. I would love a recommendation of a half-short cycle not requireing too many injections though and not lasting too long ( for a more athletic body )

thats the key man, continue to do this and you will get cut up. loosing that much weight that fast is the reason you lost muscle. i dont know what your diet is but losing over 2-3 pounds a week means lost muscle. check out the diet forum and learn how to eat to lose fat while maintaining muscle.

you dont need gear and you dont sound ready.

if your going to do it anyway, run a test only cycle for your first cycle

if you dont like sticking yourself you are going to have a hard time cutting with gear. test prop should be used in every cutting cycle because it bloats the least and requires ed to eod injections. test e will bloat you.

just do like others have said and run a test e 3-500mg/wk for 10-12wk shooting twice a week mondays and thursdays

**Minisin** · 02-03-2007, 11:52 AM

So maybe i should just delay my cycle some and just do my cutting with eating right, training alot of cardio and maybe run some ECA stack? The problem is, if i want to drop weight in a desect speed i cut my muscles, if i save my muscles it takes forever for me to drop :\

Anyhow thanks again for great response

**Angel of death** · 02-03-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Megaherz

To be as frank as possible, this cycle sucks!!!!!
Where's the Test? Deca will shut you down hardcore and you will
suffer negative side effects especially sexual if you don't combine
deca with testosterone . Also, it really takes a while for it to kick
in, so in that case, your cycle is too short. You also will absolutely
need PCT. As little as 100mg of deca will shut down your natural
test production. I think you need to do lots more research before
considering a cycle.

stop coming here if your just going to parrot peoples shit. Have you done cycles without test? I know many who have and have had NO problems what so ever. I aint tellin this dude to go ahead and do it but I have a few friends who consistantly do it without problems. Everyones got their opinions but stop acting like what you say is a 100% unadulterated fact. I say if you wanna do it, give it a shot, and maybe have some test prop on hand is shit hits the fan