Gyno. Really need great help

**2fast4u** · 02-11-2007, 02:17 PM

Hi there. Thank you for many month good reading.
Now I really need some personally advices.
Im 23 years old, have been hitting the gym for about 6 years, 3 of them serious.
Im 179 lbs and about 6 feet tall. Im always been a person that want to be fitness with nice muscles and not just bulk

After alot of research I was setting up a cycle
400 mg cyp/week in 12 weeks (400 mg becouse the dosage on cyp was easier)

20 mg Nolva/ED becouse waterreduction and being on the safe side against gyno.

PCT:
Nolva 40 mg/ED 2 weeks
Clomid 100 mg/ED 2 weeks
and then
Nolva 20 mg/ED 2 weeks
Clomid 50 mg/ED 2 weeks

Im trying to put 4000 calories in my stomach and 300 g protein every day

Now to the sad part..
The first week all was okay,just looking forward to feel the strenght and see the results. On the second week I got some gyno flare up, this really maked me afraid so I bumped the Nolva to 60 mg/ED and then tapered down to 40, and then 20. But when I thought it was okay on the 20 mg/ED I started to feel it again and the pain was every day and the devolopment was so much that my eye could see it in the mirror.
And Yes, I know now, that I should have some Letro or Arimidex home also, but outside the states you hear everywhere that Nolva always fix the problems, so I thought I was good to go.
I tryed like a animal order Letro from this board sponsor, and got my creditcard declined everytime, and everyday.Even if I bumped the nolva to 80/60 I could feel the itchyness. I tryed 4 other creditcards without any success.

So I sat down and goggling, for many hours, and found Rebound XT, that many said could be that potent AI so It would help fighting the gyno. I got it home on express, and took full dosage for 6 days, and no results, still havng pain in the lump behind nipple. Everything have gone so fast so it made me very sad.

Im now on the end of week 5, the strength have began to come, I`ll guess Im a slow person to feel the long esters. Some say 4, some say up to 7 week.

Here is my question, I have now with success I think, managed to order some Letro from another research chem, and it can take about 5 days to 2 weeks getting it home.

What shall I do,shall I quit the cycle and jump on the PCT(and hope for the letro will come, and the nolva/clomid will stop the progress)?
Or shall I continue my cycle and jump on the letro when it comes)
I hope you can feel the pain in my heart, when you have planning a gear for a year, and this happen. And how hard it feels in my brain. Here I stand, with mild case of gyno, no extra muscles becouse the test havent done its job yet, have eating and sleeping like a monster, instead of being on party, I have been glad to try to complete my goals at the gym instead. All this, and many many more thing, you adapt all your life for training when you burn for it.

I will attach some photos on my nipples, so you can see how bad it is, and maybe easier say what I shall do. And also you can give your ideas if the letro maybe can help me reverse:/ (C binos guide)

Now the right nipple have a little gland, that disapear the day you train the breast, and then it will go back (same when you erect it)
Both is little puffy, and "pointy"

Thanks for your help, I really need it becouse Im really depressed at the moment.

BTW, at tuesday I think I got some sort of test flu, got very very high fever and I couldnt eat anything for 3 days. Today its better. So keep in mind that in the picture my muscles is like straws,just so you know :/

**testosterona** · 02-11-2007, 07:44 PM

i don't see any gyno dude! not doubting you, but thats' good! it doens't look bad, your lucky. when you gt the letro, id continue w/ the cycle and run 2.5mgs ed until the lump subsides. if that down's't work, then come off cycle then repeat the dose for a few wks and wathc carefully

test

**thekidd** · 02-11-2007, 08:56 PM

dude, you're crazy.. there is no gyno there

**GFLEXXX** · 02-11-2007, 10:23 PM

Doesn't look that bad at all, but like you said it bothers you and it is itchy etc. so now you know your probably prone or senstive to gyno. Way I see it you have 2 choices: run the same dose of test with higher doses of estrogen mediators, or alternatively lower your dose of test to say 200-250EW (which probably just nolv. will keep gyno issues in check) and add a high anabolic compound that wont aromatize much for your last 8 weeks at a higher dose such as Primo,tbol,var....like you said your not looking for much bulk, so this would help you reach your said goals without thinking about your nips 24hrs a day...

**2fast4u** · 02-12-2007, 02:14 AM

Its hard to get the puffyness on pictures. But if you look at the first picture you can se a gland, a stroke thru the nipple. It wasnt there before, even if I`ve had been larger before .. If Im laying in the bed and looking down, I can see the nipples point out like "girlbreast", maybe much is in my head, but sure the AAS made something due all the soreness and tenderness I had thru the cycle

Originally Posted by testosterona

i don't see any gyno dude! not doubting you, but thats' good! it doens't look bad, your lucky. when you gt the letro, id continue w/ the cycle and run 2.5mgs ed until the lump subsides. if that down's't work, then come off cycle then repeat the dose for a few wks and wathc carefully

test

**2fast4u** · 02-12-2007, 04:52 AM

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**2fast4u** · 02-12-2007, 09:03 AM

A fast question that I only need a short answer.
Can I taper down the test dose to 200 mg/week this week/weeks before getting the Letro. And then rise the dose again? So the Nolva maybe can fight it like it is

Would this screw the levels up or should it be fine?

Thanks

**MartyMcFly** · 02-12-2007, 10:29 AM

I would look up cbino's tittie thread and run the letro as stated.

**BigTurk** · 02-12-2007, 10:41 AM

don't think you need taper anything down; it doesnt' look like you have gyno and even if you did it would take more than a week to turn into a breast tissue

**2fast4u** · 02-12-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by BigTurk

don't think you need taper anything down; it doesnt' look like you have gyno and even if you did it would take more than a week to turn into a breast tissue

Its a quite big lump behind my nipples. The lump really hurt, the nipples is sore and sensitive. It have been like this for quite a while. Therefor I asked about tapering down, until Letro comes. Its very hard for me to know what to do, how know how long it takes for the progress to turn to more breast tissue, then Im ****ed anyway. And I can stop cycle either, becouse then the estrogen levels would shoot out of the roof, and cant nolva handle it now, it sure cant make it when that happens

I`m glad if you brainstorm with me, feeling very upset and scared