Kick start

**Hephens** · 02-28-2007, 04:55 AM

Do u guys think you gain more muscle + strength + results if you kickstart a cycle with lets say dbol .

**GHoopa** · 02-28-2007, 05:20 AM

Personally I've found it's best to start on your highest dose and as you come to the end of your cycle take less and less as you'll have enough gear in your system to keep you going. With this I found that my own testosterone production increased as I took smaller doses and it met at a resonable level with dipping too much... or use clomid when you come off...

This is just what I did though bro, could react in different ways with different people...

I started a 10 week couse where I did a sust a day for 5 days then used a deca and primobolan per week for 4 weeks after, 5th week took 3 sust (on 3 seperate days) and a primo, used 2 primo a week till 8th week and 1 primo a week till the 10th week. I got excellent gains in strength and quality muscle gains after I shedded the water...

hope this helps....

**Jefferey** · 02-28-2007, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Hephens

Do u guys think you gain more muscle + strength + results if you kickstart a cycle with lets say dbol.

You'll gain more strength and size..But remember more muscle? as the d-bol add water (size) which can come off as fast as you put it on

**Hephens** · 03-01-2007, 04:14 AM

Guys i am not lieing, i just started my second cycle of test e, deca and dbol for a kickstart and i have added 4.5kilos (10pounds) of muscle in 10days, i don't believe its water cause i am on letro and i can feel its muscle with no bloat.

**king6** · 03-01-2007, 06:55 AM

I think Tbol would give you more solid gains than Dbol . I have ran dbol, and the strength and size does go away once you stop.

**STYLE74** · 03-01-2007, 06:58 AM

Of course you will lose some, it's normal. But if you follow proper pct and maybe use a milder compound towards the end you should be able to keep most of it.

**dhriscerr** · 03-01-2007, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Hephens

Guys i am not lieing, i just started my second cycle of test e, deca and dbol for a kickstart and i have added 4.5kilos (10pounds) of muscle in 10days, i don't believe its water cause i am on letro and i can feel its muscle with no bloat.

You need to relize its not just water under the skin, some of it is water in your muscles too, your not going to be able to tell with that water, only the water under skin and in fat will give you bloat. There is no way you can put on 10lbs of mucle fiber in 10 days. So you might look more solid but your muscles carrying water, not that its a bad thing.

**killua** · 03-01-2007, 09:42 AM

well its not, muscle is 60% water, so its a good thing

**Old man** · 03-01-2007, 09:51 AM

Kick off with Test Prop and or NPP fast Test/ fast Deca . They hit you in about 4 days, instead of 4-6 weeks. AND you won't lose those gains like you will with Dbol . As long as you continue your training and diet into PCT.
Orals are ok, but stick with ones that are not such water suckers; Var, Tbol, Winnie, Ect.