No gains in 2wks at 5k/day..fake TREN?

**liftin4life** · 03-07-2007, 10:40 PM

I've been on Tren Ace for about 7 weeks now. I had to switch to another supplier

I haven't gained hardly anything in the past 2 wks...even bumping cals from 3k to 5k. My strength continues to go up A LOT...but amazingly...my weight has gone up like..a couple pounds only. Before...it was 4-5lbs per week.

I've been on 300mg/wk of Tren A.

I'm also on: 400mg/wk EQ and 400mg/wk Test E

I'm ending the tren in 3 days...it might be fake anyway.

Should the longer esters still cause gains from here on out since it's only at week 7 on them? I'm running through 14.

**taiboxa** · 03-07-2007, 10:42 PM

imo i dont think ur ready for aas to begin w/ and those gains could very VERY EASILY be from increase cals lol

**Benches505** · 03-07-2007, 10:45 PM

When it comes to tren , watch the mirror and not the scale.

**mark956101957** · 03-07-2007, 11:04 PM

You would notice some kind of sides from the Tren you would think and be able to tell if it was real or not although 300mg is a fairly low dose.

**taiboxa** · 03-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by mark956101957

You would notice some kind of sides from the Tren you would think and be able to tell if it was real or not although 300mg is a fairly low dose.

nah, quite a few people dont get shit for sides believe it or not.. my work out partner doesnt get sides till he is at 200+mg ED

**Dog-Slime** · 03-08-2007, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by liftin4life

I've been on Tren Ace for about 7 weeks now. I had to switch to another supplier

I haven't gained hardly anything in the past 2 wks...even bumping cals from 3k to 5k. My strength continues to go up A LOT...but amazingly...my weight has gone up like..a couple pounds only. Before...it was 4-5lbs per week.

I've been on 300mg/wk of Tren A.

I'm also on: 400mg/wk EQ and 400mg/wk Test E

I'm ending the tren in 3 days...it might be fake anyway.

Should the longer esters still cause gains from here on out since it's only at week 7 on them? I'm running through 14.

Dude if you were gaining 4-5lbs a week then you have probably got the max gains your gonna get off this cycle. I do believe that the body will only add on a certain amount of mass in a given time frame regardless of how much gear and or calories you are taking in. 4-5lbs for first 6 weeks would leave you with 24-30lbs if you have gained that much already you should be damn happy.

**liftin4life** · 03-08-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dog-Slime

Dude if you were gaining 4-5lbs a week then you have probably got the max gains your gonna get off this cycle. I do believe that the body will only add on a certain amount of mass in a given time frame regardless of how much gear and or calories you are taking in. 4-5lbs for first 6 weeks would leave you with 24-30lbs if you have gained that much already you should be damn happy.

Yeah, I put on 23lbs in the first 5 weeks. Since then, my strength has continued to rise dramatically...with some size increase, but the scale isn't showing much. Yeah...I should be happy...and I am. I just want more...and still have almost 7 wks on the EQ/Test...which should really start to effect gains at this point. So...we shall see what happens.

I think having insomnia may be having a major effect on gains. During the past few weeks, there were many nights where I only got 2-4 hours of sleep. I slept 40 hours this past weekend...and 17 hours last night. So...I feel I'm pretty much caught up. I'll make sure I get 8 from now on...as I no long have trouble sleeping.

As far as not being ready for AAS, I respect you Tai, but that comment does not apply to me. This is my first experience with Tren ...and I was concerned that it may be fake. Looking back, it was probably the sleep issue.

**Jefferey** · 03-08-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by liftin4life

Yeah, I put on 23lbs in the first 5 weeks. Since then, my strength has continued to rise dramatically...with some size increase, but the scale isn't showing much. Yeah...I should be happy...and I am. I just want more...and still have almost 7 wks on the EQ/Test...which should really start to effect gains at this point. So...we shall see what happens.

I think having insomnia may be having a major effect on gains. During the past few weeks, there were many nights where I only got 2-4 hours of sleep. I slept 40 hours this past weekend...and 17 hours last night. So...I feel I'm pretty much caught up. I'll make sure I get 8 from now on...as I no long have trouble sleeping.

As far as not being ready for AAS, I respect you Tai, but that comment does not apply to me. This is my first experience with Tren...and I was concerned that it may be fake. Looking back, it was probably the sleep issue.

I also get no sides from Tren ...If your still gaining Strength but no bodyweight, the gear is still working. When you keep cal's the same and you no longer gain weigth or strength on most of your lifts, time to end that cycle..

**briancb1** · 03-08-2007, 10:43 AM

23lbs in 5 weeks is good. I gained 25lbs in 6 weeks on 500mgs/week Test E, 11-12lbs of lbm and the rest was fat and water.

I don't think if you just up your cals you could get more and more muscle, you can only put on so much muscle at once. If you maxed out just end it and get on with your PCT, dont waste gear.

**Dog-Slime** · 03-08-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Jefferey

I also get no sides from Tren...If your still gaining Strength but no bodyweight, the gear is still working. When you keep cal's the same and you no longer gain weigth or strength on most of your lifts, time to end that cycle..

Exactly what I was getting at but was gonna wait to see how much he said he had gained. I know it might feel like your waisting that EQ and to some degree the test but I would end the cycle and run pct. You will likely not gain but 5lbs or so if you continue the cyle and there is no point in being shut down that long for the minimal gains.

**Microbrew** · 03-08-2007, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Benches505

When it comes to tren, watch the mirror and not the scale.

Exactly, I can take 500mg's TrenE wk and gain around 6/8lbs and drop a size or two on my belt and in the mirror look like I gained 15lbs.

Micro

**bigwillystyle** · 03-08-2007, 04:38 PM

id say your tren worked..tren will actully burn fat while increasing strgth

BG · 03-08-2007, 04:45 PM

bump test dosage 200mgs.

**liftin4life** · 03-09-2007, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

bump test dosage 200mgs.

Hmm...even with the EQ? I was going to add in Var at 50mg ED for the last 4 wks. (11-14).

For the person who talked about being shut down...I'm on HRT and don't have to do PCT or worry about shutdown at all. Also...if the Tren hits different receptor sites than EQ/Test...theoretically I should get more gains from here on out. Also...if I ended the cycle when gains slowed...it would have stopped at 4 1/2 wks.

No one has addressed the sleep issue. Wouldn't that have a major effect on recovery?

**taiboxa** · 03-09-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by liftin4life

Hmm...even with the EQ? I was going to add in Var at 50mg ED for the last 4 wks. (11-14).

For the person who talked about being shut down...I'm on HRT and don't have to do PCT or worry about shutdown at all. Also...if the Tren hits different receptor sites than EQ/Test...theoretically I should get more gains from here on out. Also...if I ended the cycle when gains slowed...it would have stopped at 4 1/2 wks.

No one has addressed the sleep issue. Wouldn't that have a major effect on recovery?

personaly keep it wheres its at.. fix ur diet, 2ndly for sleep.. get over it.. ur not going to get much on tren. tren is a nor group much MUCH stronger than test and evern more so than EQ, i wouldnt even bother using EQ while on tren.. as tren will mask anything eq will do. if u want to run something worth a damn to couple w/ tren find a good DHT compound i.e. drol/win

i always keep test much lower than everything else nowdays and practically run it anywhere from 100-400mg/wk based on how i feel as a TRT dose is all i ever really need and leave the anabolism up to the stronger compounds

**Microbrew** · 03-09-2007, 02:37 PM

No matter what I take I'm lucky if I can gain anything over 5wks on the same drug. That's whey I have to usually switch it up, I usually start my tren after I've already been on another kind of gear for 4/5 wks. It helps me continue to make gains in those 6,7 and 8th wks, otherwise I would be struggleing to make any gains running the same thing all the way through. The only thing I run all the way through my cycles is test and maybe EQ, sometimes I switch from TE or Cyp to Sus. My body responds really fast to gear and platues just the same. That's why I think IGF works great 3/4 into a cycle.

Micro

Micro

**liftin4life** · 03-09-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

No matter what I take I'm lucky if I can gain anything over 5wks on the same drug. That's whey I have to usually switch it up, I usually start my tren after I've already been on another kind of gear for 4/5 wks. It helps me continue to make gains in those 6,7 and 8th wks, otherwise I would be struggleing to make any gains running the same thing all the way through. The only thing I run all the way through my cycles is test and maybe EQ, sometimes I switch from TE or Cyp to Sus. My body responds really fast to gear and platues just the same. That's why I think IGF works great 3/4 into a cycle.

Micro

Micro

Hmmm...interesting. Well strength is continuing to climb rapidly with every workout...so I think I'll ride this out and see what I can gain during the next 6 wks or so. Looking back...even though everyone told me to take Tren upfront...maybe I should have run Prop 1-6 and Tren A 5-8...and stopped at that. I think I would have ended up with more gains.

**Microbrew** · 03-09-2007, 05:13 PM

I love taking dbol or drol in the beginning and gain as much weight as I can and at the 4/5 wk mark I add my Tren harden up really nice and even gain 5 or more lbs and thats after the water weight has fallen off. And you even want more results start IGF 3wks after you start your tren. Back in the day I use to do 4wk blitz, change to 2 different drugs every 4wks and try to use 2 drugs that were stronger then the 2 previous drugs. I would always end with Test suspension by steris the last 4wks of my cycle because after all else fails and I can't gain a single pound or strength, I would accually gain 5 more lbs at the end of my cycle. Thats what I use to do but right now I usually change it up every 6wks.

Micro

**taiboxa** · 03-09-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Microbrew

No matter what I take I'm lucky if I can gain anything over 5wks on the same drug. That's whey I have to usually switch it up, I usually start my tren after I've already been on another kind of gear for 4/5 wks. It helps me continue to make gains in those 6,7 and 8th wks, otherwise I would be struggleing to make any gains running the same thing all the way through. The only thing I run all the way through my cycles is test and maybe EQ, sometimes I switch from TE or Cyp to Sus. My body responds really fast to gear and platues just the same. That's why I think IGF works great 3/4 into a cycle.

Micro

Micro

why do u switch the esters on the test..

**Microbrew** · 03-09-2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

why do u switch the esters on the test..

I didn't switch the test as much as some of the other gears, I would only switch the test if I was bulking up or not. I like to do Sus when I'm not trying to bulk, I feel I don't hold as much water as TE or Cyp.

BG · 03-09-2007, 07:34 PM

I agree with Tai on the DHT, worked great for me with a boost. But Ive personaly gotten good results from dosage increases, and 7 weeks is when I do it. I use the old school pyramid technique, Ive tried both waysof cycling and dosage increases worked the best.