19 years old-considering taking aas

**spiromik** · 03-09-2007, 02:33 AM

hey guys...im 19 years old iv been training hard for about 3 years went from 60kg (132lbs) and im currently 92kg (202lbs) and still making gains with a low amount of body fat.
i train hard, eat rite with strict supplementation such as creatine, protein, and nitrix,tribulus.. i know many would say im to young and that i should wait till im older but im considering taking 1 cycle of sus or deca to give me that extra edge and accelerate my gains.. what do u guys believe would b the best steroid to take with out considering my age..
thank you.

**saturn08** · 03-09-2007, 02:42 AM

awwww shit... I know how this one will turn out.

**wjclinton** · 03-09-2007, 02:48 AM

Flintstone Chewables

**SteelTown84** · 03-09-2007, 03:02 AM

haha fuk poor guy

**Jason865** · 03-09-2007, 03:09 AM

Another Idiot

**wjclinton** · 03-09-2007, 03:21 AM

I think you should stack:

Yummi Bear fiber supplements
Lil Criter Vita beans
Bob the Builder
Flinstones complete

This should give you the ultimate mass/shred cycle.

**Warrior** · 03-09-2007, 03:36 AM

Dedication with consistency mixed with increasing knowledge...

**scribbs12** · 03-09-2007, 03:56 AM

why do you guys have to be so rude and sarcastic... of corse hes too young but really do words like those encourage him not to take them..? if his heart is set on it.. im sure hes going to do it regardless.. and im sure plenty of people here having taking AAs 18-21 even younger in some cases... but still.. at least put him down nicely... thats all i have to say....

**knownutz** · 03-09-2007, 04:03 AM

Bro 1st cycle at 19 your crazy! Don't even think about it. That flintstone stack shouldn't be considered until your forth cycle. Don't do it bro, I wish I had the test levels you have right now naturally. The side effects and costs just aren't worth it.

**Booz** · 03-09-2007, 05:29 AM

less of the pisstaking this is a seriouse question that has to be answered seriously..................

**Booz** · 03-09-2007, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by scribbs12

why do you guys have to be so rude and sarcastic... of corse hes too young but really do words like those encourage him not to take them..? if his heart is set on it.. im sure hes going to do it regardless.. and im sure plenty of people here having taking AAs 18-21 even younger in some cases... but still.. at least put him down nicely... thats all i have to say....

good post......................

1 brownie point...............

**Booz** · 03-09-2007, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by spiromik

hey guys...im 19 years old iv been training hard for about 3 years went from 60kg (132lbs) and im currently 92kg (202lbs) and still making gains with a low amount of body fat.
i train hard, eat rite with strict supplementation such as creatine, protein, and nitrix,tribulus.. i know many would say im to young and that i should wait till im older but im considering taking 1 cycle of sus or deca to give me that extra edge and accelerate my gains.. what do u guys believe would b the best steroid to take with out considering my age..
thank you.

yes you are correct most including me will tell you that you are too young,if you are still making gains why start using steroids ??
your natty test is at its peak till your around 21 use it to its fullest then jump on the roid bandwagon if you still wish.............

**Booz** · 03-09-2007, 05:32 AM

until then stick around and read up and learn everythin you can about training diet and steroid use ...be smart..........

**Warrior** · 03-09-2007, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by scribbs12

why do you guys have to be so rude and sarcastic... of corse hes too young but really do words like those encourage him not to take them..? if his heart is set on it.. im sure hes going to do it regardless.. and im sure plenty of people here having taking AAs 18-21 even younger in some cases... but still.. at least put him down nicely... thats all i have to say....

This forum has been around for many years. This issue has been brought up several times - as well as posts from concerned parents; many times. At 19, the human body is still in it's development stage and regulating it's hormone output on it's own initiative to properly turn him into a man for a lifetime. Taking control of endogenous hormone levels at this point has too many risks associated with it... too many unknow risks and many personal stories have been shared here - regarding premature use. There exist a risk:benefit ratio when using these powerful hormones for performance purposes - this is one way to use them that resides too far with potential risks.

It's a beatin' topic. He is welcome to post here and keep researching AAS in athletics - to make the choice later - but right now, he should stay on the natty track he is on... sounds like he is on his way to becoming a successful bodybuilder anyway... without exogneous androgen use. He will find himself even more prepared in a few more years...

BG · 03-09-2007, 06:02 AM

^well said^

**Kale** · 03-09-2007, 06:28 AM

Read this dude

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

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**ACE24** · 03-09-2007, 06:28 AM

Are people that phucking lazy to just spend a little time on this forum READING!!! I do not know how the AR-Monitors/Admins can stay so positive all the time with all these newbs asking the same stupid questions over and over and over. I am 43 and have spent the last three years perfecting my diet, researching and learning. I have just NOW completed my first cycle with AWESOME gains! Seems that these young guns just now want to take the fast track and skip all the hard work in between.

**Kale** · 03-09-2007, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by ACE24

Are people that phucking lazy to just spend a little time on this forum READING!!! I do not know how the AR-Monitors/Admins can stay so positive all the time with all these newbs asking the same stupid questions over and over and over. I am 43 and have spent the last three years perfecting my diet, researching and learning. I have just NOW completed my first cycle with AWESOME gains! Seems that these young guns just now want to take the fast track and skip all the hard work in between.

Because we remember what it was like to be a Newbie. When you first come to this Forum it is very difficult to work out what to do IMO. I remember my first post was a question I asked in a Stickie !!! Everyone has to start somewhere and everyone has the right to ask questions regardless of whether or not we think they are stupid questions.

**Schmidty** · 03-09-2007, 08:02 AM

all I can say is if i gota wait then so do u.

**ACE24** · 03-09-2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Because we remember what it was like to be a Newbie. When you first come to this Forum it is very difficult to work out what to do IMO. I remember my first post was a question I asked in a Stickie !!! Everyone has to start somewhere and everyone has the right to ask questions regardless of whether or not we think they are stupid questions.

I hear ya, but it just gets a little old. Kudos to the mods/vets for their patience and wisdom.

**Twanny** · 11-06-2007, 01:44 AM

Easy to understand why these question sare asked. People look at photos of arnie, massive at 20. They can assume its fine to take steroids at an early age. Misconception shouldnt b a reason to laugh at someone.

**AandF6969** · 11-06-2007, 01:46 AM

God damn dudes, quit flaming him hes just asking questions... and at least he's not 140 lbs wondering why he can't get big.

**andryc** · 11-06-2007, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Twanny

Easy to understand why these question sare asked. People look at photos of arnie, massive at 20. They can assume its fine to take steroids at an early age. Misconception shouldnt b a reason to laugh at someone.

yes it's so.

I have shock (in 18 it is not allowed,in 19 the same,in 21 it's late) so when start? I want get success in BB at 22-23 yo

please don't call us idiots, we are interestin how sportmens think

**GettinBigga** · 11-06-2007, 08:30 AM

Listen. On a more suitable note. Wait til your 22/23 before considering steroids , let your natural growth filter out a bit

I was 9st at 18, took me 3 years to gain 2 stone just through genetics.

In the past 9 months ive gained a stone training naturally and changed my diet and my metabolism has died off a bit

ive just started on AAS and have gained 1 stone since using them. So personal opinion would be to hold fire til your 22/23!

im 5'11" 22 13%BF 176lbs

**PEWN** · 11-06-2007, 09:14 AM

why was this bumped in the first place....

**GoldieTheMack** · 11-06-2007, 10:22 AM

Not to be too much of a killjoy, but Arnold won the Universe at age 20.

There are several implications that can be made from this statement.

**Atomini** · 11-06-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by GoldieTheMack

Not to be too much of a killjoy, but Arnold won the Universe at age 20.

There are several implications that can be made from this statement.

Fact is that this guy isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I highly doubt he is competing at any level. If you're not competing and there's no money at stake as a tradeoff, then why risk it at his age? I can understand if he's competing... but he's not.

**GoldieTheMack** · 11-06-2007, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Fact is that this guy isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger, and I highly doubt he is competing at any level. If you're not competing and there's no money at stake as a tradeoff, then why risk it at his age? I can understand if he's competing... but he's not.

Like I said "several implications"!

Do you have the stats on the number of people whose lives went the competive route "AFTER" beginning gear?

No, I didn't think so...making this just one possible implication. Although your zeal is duly noted.

**Atomini** · 11-06-2007, 11:06 AM

These days if you are going competitive in an untested BB competition, then you will definitely need to be using gear to keep up with the lineup. It was probably different back in the 60s and 70s. Casey Viator was the youngest person EVER to win the Mr. America at 19. Was he using at that point? I don't know. I would say maybe, maybe not. We don't know these things for sure.

**eL FriJolerO** · 11-06-2007, 11:26 AM

Ok guys, i'm 22 and started using AAS since i was 21. The only bad thing i've noticed till now bout using AAS is my acne. Besides that it's been all good/positive sides. My gains are amazing and i feel great. I had the same dilema when i was 19, i felt like i had hit a plateu but resisted taking AAS till the age 21. And i gotta say i totally understad spiromik's hunger for growth. Even if out natty test is at it's peak, it's never even comparable to the potential of AAS. I don't think we're JUST impatient and want to skip all the hard work...HELL NO. I trained and still train my ass off at the gym, that's exactly why i decided to take AAS, because i knew/know my dedication and passion for bodybuilding. There is no way i would try to skip all those painfull and sore days, those are the best. I never feel better than after a beast training session. I guess what i'm trying to say is cut this guy some slack. And as many already said, he's asking for guidance, and that's what this forum is all about. And just to refresh what someone said, many thnx for the mods for being so patient and sharing all their knowledge with us newbs.

peace

**GoldieTheMack** · 11-06-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Atomini

These days if you are going competitive in an untested BB competition, then you will definitely need to be using gear to keep up with the lineup. It was probably different back in the 60s and 70s. Casey Viator was the youngest person EVER to win the Mr. America at 19. Was he using at that point? I don't know. I would say maybe, maybe not. We don't know these things for sure.

Point taken.

And you might even have a valid reference, or a semi-compelling argument were these guys the topic of discussion, however, they aren't.

By your reply it's obvious that you've never seen, or at least don't recall, pictures of Arnold's '67 Universe win.

Though I may not have watched him swallow the Dbols, or checked his mouth afterwards for verification...

...a picture is worth a thousand words, so if you get a chance look them up!