Need Good Opinions On First Test/Tren Cycle

[Thamobster1578]

ok so il be finishing up my first test cycle ever in the next few weeks.gains werent exactly what i was expecting but i put on some solid mass.Im not gonna rush right into another cycle but i do wanna try a test/tren cycle as my next cycle in the future.i know the tren is nothing to be taken lightly so i just wanted some opinions on how much tren a and test a i should be using and what kind of pct to keep me in line.im looking to really bulk up and get some mass on me thats why i opted for the tren.just curious how you guys were running your test/tren first cycles and how to keep it safe.any info would be great.thanks

[Thamobster1578]

anyone?

[SMAN12b]

Tren is NOT for the beginner. You only have an idea of what TEST did to you, you need to try some less harsh compounds and see how your body is going to react before subjecting it to Tren. JMHO

What did you run for PCT with your first cycle? What was the dose? What was your diet like honestly? People like to blame the gear sometimes when it is actually lack of diet and training that didn't give them the gains they wanted.

[king6]

I plan on using tren ace on my second cycle. I used a lot of compounds in my first cycle, but not on purpose. My test e was underdosed, and I was running dbol with it. Once the dbol stopped the gains fell off. So I switched to prop and var from a UGL. So my first cycle I ran 4 compounds, and had no sides at all. I also had the prop at 700mg/week, also with no sides. Didn't gain as much as I was thinking I would. I don't think my diet was off, because I could not physically eat anymore. So my second cycle will consist of

week 1-8
Test prop 75mg/ed
Tren Ace 50mg/ed
Masteron 50mg/ed or 75mg/day

I know it is not recommended to use tren so early in your cycles, so I will keep an eye on how I react, and will be ready to cease the tren if need be.

[Thamobster1578]

thanks for the input.my pct consisted of the lion tamox/liquidex/clomi combo. i ran the tamox and liquidex together through the whole cylce and the clomi post cycle.im thinking that was partially my reason for the lack of gains.possibly to much pct early.least they were some theories brought up.i was taking test 350 at 700mg per week.2 shots broken into 1cc of 350mg.theres no doubt my diet wasnt fully up to par and i also know that was partially the reason as well.i also felt like i just couldnt eat anymore.but nonetheless it wasnt an awful diet and i feel like i should have gained more reguardless.thats why i really wanted to try out the tren .i was just gonna run another test cycle for the first couple weeks before deciding and then possibly stacking in the tren.any ideas?i may just not do it but any ideas on how i should do it would be great if i did decide to do it later down the road.thanks

[Thamobster1578]

oh and sman what other compounds would u suggest if i were to steer away from the tren . I know i could go the anavar or dbol route but i know they are mostly bloat and i want gains i can possibly keep the most of.thanks

[king6]

oh and sman what other compounds would u suggest if i were to steer away from the tren. I know i could go the anavar or dbol route but i know they are mostly bloat and i want gains i can possibly keep the most of.thanks

Test and NPP, test and deca , test and Eq. These are some that I have considered.

[peteroy01]

u dont hold water on anavar , and u keep ur gains off of anavar

[Thamobster1578]

sorry i meant to type anadrol not anavar .