cycle critique please

[orion565]

Just wanted everyone's opinon on this cycle:

Test P Week 1-10 100mg/EOD
Masteron Week 1-6 100mg/EOD
Winstrol Week 6-10 100mg/EOD

PCT

Nolvadex Week 10-16 40/40/20/20/20/20
HCG Week 10-14 1500iu E4D
Aromasin Week 10-15 20mg/ED

Stats: 5'10'', 185lbs, 13%

My one question is should I run any HCG during the cycle.

Thanks.

[taiboxa]

Just wanted everyone's opinon on this cycle:

Test P Week 1-10 100mg/EOD
Masteron Week 1-6 100mg/EOD
Winstrol Week 6-10 100mg/EOD

PCT

Nolvadex Week 10-16 40/40/20/20/20/20
HCG Week 10-14 1500iu E4D
Aromasin Week 10-15 20mg/ED

Stats: 5'10'', 185lbs, 13%

My one question is should I run any HCG during the cycle.

Thanks.

there quite a few things i would change but first wat is ur cycle history?

[orion565]

1 previous cycle

test 250 (blend)
deca 300

[orion565]

anyone?

[testisbest]

winny should be taken at least every day, I'd take it a couple of times a day IMO.

[bigboy003]

IMO i think you should get down to about 10%bf before u start your masteron , it works much better with lower bf....

[orion565]

does the pct look good, that is what I am most worried about

[Two4the$$]

There's much I disagree with also.

Use enanthate ...

1-6 Test-Enan 600mg EW
1-6 mast-enan 400mg EW
6 - 12 Winny injectable at 75mg ED (in accordance with your choice)
6 - 12 Test prop injectable at 100mg ED
6 - 12 Mast prop injectable at 50mg ED
2 - 12 hCG at 200iu 2x per week ...
1 - 16 Aromasin 25mg ED

**the mast is optional, if you want only to use one DHT at a time.

Perhaps throw a oral in the beginning in, like Diana or A-bombs or something...

Perhaps run some proviron through PCT at a low-dose ...

Perhaps run some var through the last weeks to assist with hardening and binding with SHBG if your gains are tappering off.

[gixxerboy1]

There's much I disagree with also.

Use enanthate ...

1-6 Test-Enan 600mg EW
1-6 mast-enan 400mg EW
6 - 12 Winny injectable at 75mg ED (in accordance with your choice)
6 - 12 Test prop injectable at 100mg ED
6 - 12 Mast prop injectable at 50mg ED
2 - 12 hCG at 200iu 2x per week ...
1 - 16 Aromasin 25mg ED

**the mast is optional, if you want only to use one DHT at a time.

Perhaps throw a oral in the beginning in, like Diana or A-bombs or something...

Perhaps run some proviron through PCT at a low-dose ...

Perhaps run some var through the last weeks to assist with hardening and binding with SHBG if your gains are tappering off.

^^^I dont like that at all. Have you ran that yourself?

[orion565]

what is the reason for choosing enanthate over p?

[Two4the$$]

Orioin565

• Of which compound? Test? mast? Or both?
• have you ever done EVERY DAY injections?

gixxerboy1

• I'm attempting to closely match his original idea
• Winny needs ED - if he's choosing EOD for it, it's because he doesn't want to inject often ... thus, I'm continuing with his apparent motive, and going a step further; switching to another DHT that requires 2xEW.
• I kept the spirit of his dosing, modified it only slightly ...
• If he thinks he'd be fine with frequent jabbing - do it at the end... see if you're right, and shorten the gap between last injection and PCT.
• I SHOULD HAVE SUGGESTED that he frontload - as 6 weeks on long esters is very short without frontloading. I just woke up, in my defense.
  
• And finally ... I would have also extended his cycle and changed the basis of length from an ARBITRARY number of weeks, to a pre-set number of pounds ... but again, I was respecting his choices, at the same time as offering a few revisions.
  

Were I NOT trying to retain the spirit of some of his choices, I'd have said run enanthates the whole way through, and if he really MUST throw in some winny ... do it for the number of weeks his internal-risk-management agrees with.

Since he obviously read AR's thread on PCT, and therefore chose aromasin , he may as well use it the whole way through ... why change unless there's a limit to the duration that justifies the volitility, or offers an advantage. If it's a matter of pricing - use Raloxafene the whole way through, and in moments I will re-post some info I copied about the dangers of nolvadex .

IF there are OTHER reasons you disagree ... please tell me.

[orion565]

I was asking about both.

The reason I choose prop instead of enanthate was water retention and reading results from others about prop being better in a cutting cycle. Also I did not want to front load, I wanted to avoid orals completely. The only oral I was thinking about taking was anavar but decided that I didn’t want three compounds at the same time, due to one previous cycle.

No, I have not done ed injections. I have no problem with doing ed injections but from all the readings I have done, eod seemed just fine. I saw the threads of contention and people going towards ed, but there is not enough evidence that I have seen yet, to warrant this.

So you would run Aromasin 16 weeks at 20mg?

I had a ten week cycle, is it really that important to do a 12, my last cycle was 8 and that was fine, I really didn’t want to push Winny past 4-5 wks, due to its liver toxicity.

Never heard of Raloxafene, will need to research it.

And I will shorten the gap in PCT, thank you for your input.

[orion565]

anymore opinions?

[Decoder]

There's much I disagree with also.

Use enanthate ...

1-6 Test-Enan 600mg EW
1-6 mast-enan 400mg EW
6 - 12 Winny injectable at 75mg ED (in accordance with your choice)
6 - 12 Test prop injectable at 100mg ED
6 - 12 Mast prop injectable at 50mg ED
2 - 12 hCG at 200iu 2x per week ...
1 - 16 Aromasin 25mg ED

**the mast is optional, if you want only to use one DHT at a time.

Perhaps throw a oral in the beginning in, like Diana or A-bombs or something...

Perhaps run some proviron through PCT at a low-dose ...

Perhaps run some var through the last weeks to assist with hardening and binding with SHBG if your gains are tappering off.

I WOULD NOT RUN THE HCG AND AROMASIN THROUGH THAT CYCLE LIKE THAT!!!!

save it for the end throw the aromasin if your water rentenion starts to get high during the cycle or bitch tits apear other wise i wouldn't run it from the begining. why the hell would you stop taking hcg the same week as the prop???????? that pct set up is awful. Right compounds wrong times. that cycle isnt hardcore enough to run that pct all the way throught it.

[Decoder]

oh and 16 weeks of aromasin is asking for sides...

[orion565]

decoder, how does my original PCT look?

[Two4the$$]

I WOULD NOT RUN THE HCG AND AROMASIN THROUGH THAT CYCLE LIKE THAT!!!!

save it for the end throw the aromasin if your water rentenion starts to get high during the cycle or bitch tits apear other wise i wouldn't run it from the begining. why the hell would you stop taking hcg the same week as the prop???????? that pct set up is awful. Right compounds wrong times. that cycle isnt hardcore enough to run that pct all the way throught it.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/1999/20753LBL.PDF

Since reading isn't your thing - I'll paraphrase; it says you're retarded. More accurately, people used it for over a year, as it's a LONG TERM TREATMENT OPTION FOR POST MENAPAUSAL WOMEN.

Of course, it's only been used at up to 600 - 800mg per day for I think... 8 weeks... but perhaps someone could withstand 25mg ED for longer... since it is for LONG TERM USE. Furthermore, it also decreases SHBG... which I'm sure you're ALL to familiar with those advantages.

Orion, I have no vested interest in your choices... but at least double check to see if the person advising you is more capable than serving fries.

And by the way ... gsxxrboy1, I'm not really worried about your stupid advice and arguments getting very far. Idiots riding Sports bikes live as long as darwin suggests they should.... but should you get another incling to contribute and argue with one of my threads, please, do keep mispelling 3rd grade words... that way, we all know where your education stopped.

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Just wanted everyone's opinon on this cycle:

Test P Week 1-10 100mg/EOD
Masteron Week 1-6 100mg/EOD
Winstrol Week 6-10 100mg/EOD

PCT

Nolvadex Week 10-16 40/40/20/20/20/20
HCG Week 10-14 1500iu E4D
Aromasin Week 10-15 20mg/ED

Stats: 5'10'', 185lbs, 13%

My one question is should I run any HCG during the cycle.

Thanks.

• I would keep the masteron in the cycle for the whole length of it.
• There's no reason to use 40mgs of Nolvadex, ever. It won't give you more results. One aspirin will lower your fever by a half degree, but 200 of them won't reduce your body temperature to -8.
• The HCG dose would be better off if it was less IU more frequently, on PCT.
• You don't need HCG on this cycle. Save it for PCT.

[orion565]

• I would keep the masteron in the cycle for the whole length of it.
• There's no reason to use 40mgs of Nolvadex, ever. It won't give you more results. One aspirin will lower your fever by a half degree, but 200 of them won't reduce your body temperature to -8.
• The HCG dose would be better off if it was less IU more frequently, on PCT.
• You don't need HCG on this cycle. Save it for PCT.

thanks for the info, I will incorporate this.

[orion565]

• I would keep the masteron in the cycle for the whole length of it.
• There's no reason to use 40mgs of Nolvadex, ever. It won't give you more results. One aspirin will lower your fever by a half degree, but 200 of them won't reduce your body temperature to -8.
• The HCG dose would be better off if it was less IU more frequently, on PCT.
• You don't need HCG on this cycle. Save it for PCT.

do you see any reason to wait till I am 10% body fat before using mast?