is this enough

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 04:01 AM

hi everyone new to the forum but been reading forums for months now about to star my first steroid cycle my stats are male 19 6ft2 190 pounds lean been training for 4 years ready to take my body to the next level found a scource for my gear do you think i should see results of this
weeks 1-8 sustanon 250 250mg a week
weeks 1-8 deca durabolin 200mg a week
nolvadex on hand for gyno
hcg for pct
could i take sus125mg and deca100mg twice a week?
looking to gain around 20 pound and be glad to keep a stone solid
what do all you guys think comments appreciated cheers

**Geeezer** · 05-06-2007, 04:34 AM

You need to run Sustanon EOD .
200 of deca a weeek is pritty low.Might be ok for the Joints

**king6** · 05-06-2007, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by born2build

hi everyone new to the forum but been reading forums for months now about to star my first steroid cycle my stats are male 19 6ft2 190 pounds lean been training for 4 years ready to take my body to the next level found a scource for my gear do you think i should see results of this
weeks 1-8 sustanon 250 250mg a week
weeks 1-8 deca durabolin 200mg a week
nolvadex on hand for gyno
hcg for pct
could i take sus125mg and deca100mg twice a week?
looking to gain around 20 pound and be glad to keep a stone solid
what do all you guys think comments appreciated cheers

Nolva will only make your gyno worse, deca is a progestin. I would have some letro on hand, and I would also run it during your cycle. Plus your PCT needs work. HCG for PCT only is not good. You can run the HCG up until a week before PCT, then you should stop and run Nolva and Clomid, or Nolva and aromasin .

**dupa95** · 05-06-2007, 05:20 AM

19 6ft2 190 Wait two more year be for you go to the dark side If it's worth doing It' s worth waiting for sustanon and deca for first cycle. NOT. I think you need to do more resarch and you will find this is not a good first cycle. I'm sure the vets will agree.

**getpumped24** · 05-06-2007, 05:41 AM

you are not old enough for aas. at 19 your hormones are already high. you can put on a lot of size naturally. i wouldn't cycle until 22-23 yrs old. don't get in a hurry, things will happen.

**auslifta** · 05-06-2007, 06:15 AM

agree with your too young, and first cycle should prob just consist of 500mg of test a week, take advantage of your naturally high test levels and bulk for next 2 years straight without worrying about PCT

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 06:34 AM

appreciate all the comments but i really want to start the aas now my aim is to be like arnie 6ft2 240 pounds i feel i have good enough genetics to go all the way hopefully make it to ifbb status in my 20,s i have a natural x shape and im ready for them now so please can you give me your expectation for the above cycle on gains also i was recommended this cycle of a guy at my gym who has been taking aas 20 years he seems to think with aas steroids i will have a phenonamal physique

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 06:36 AM

if i hadnt of been reccomended the cycle of a guy at the gym i would of personally run sust250 500mg a week for 10 weeks with dbol 30mg ed for the first 4-6weeks tith clomid and nolva for pct cheers

**auslifta** · 05-06-2007, 06:52 AM

i personally dont like the idea of sust.
you should frontload test e and stick with the one compound.
how is your diet?
oh yeah if your 6'2@ 240 you would have a hard time against a IFBB competitors you should be looking at 270 at least
goodluck whatever you decide

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 06:55 AM

270 mmmm cheers for your advice

**auslifta** · 05-06-2007, 06:55 AM

dont forget arnie was extremely low bf at 240, if i had a dollar every time someone said they have good genetics like arnie

**auslifta** · 05-06-2007, 06:58 AM

here is a good thread on frontloading
Frontloading explained-

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 07:05 AM

excellent thread

**TCGypsy** · 05-06-2007, 07:07 AM

If you are gonna do AAS, then ya gonna do them, although I would wait at least until 21.

Here is the deal, your test levels are busting out right now anyway. The first cycle is usually the best (my "friends" first cycle was nothing short of miraculous). I am assuming that the gear you mentioned is what you have on hand, and you are looking to bulk, not cut.

DECA is a great AAS, love the stuff. However, if you are going to compete anytime within the next coupla years keep in mind that it can hide in adipose tissue, and you can test positive.

DBOL is the breakfast of champions, and I would agree with your gym buddy about using it on your first cycle, along with whatever testosterone you have. Test is test, the only difference is the release profiles, so know the timing of what you use.

PCT: Couple hits of HCG after the long acting tests and/or nors have worn off. Nolva and/or Clomid for 6-8 weeks after that. Tried and true PCT - always works for my "friend" who has his blood work checked by a cool doc during all of his cycles.

Peace,

TCG

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 07:10 AM

great respons appreciate it tcgypsy

**boxer08** · 05-06-2007, 07:31 AM

Whats your bf at the moment born2build.

**born2build** · 05-06-2007, 07:35 AM

about 10% maybe abit less

**boxer08** · 05-06-2007, 08:04 AM

You are still a bit to young to run aas but it sounds lik you have made your mind up and you want to so if i was you i would stick to a single ester like eth or cyp at 500mg a week.

**skank** · 05-06-2007, 08:07 AM

I think you are a year or 2 early but I would say your convinced to do this anyway. Before you start using deca I think it would be a good idea to see how your body reacts to just test by itself. You will be very happy with the results of a test only cycle. Add deca in your 2nd cycle.
Also make sure you have everything for your pct.
10% bodyfat, excellent! Welcome aboard!