Test Hates Me

[bpm1]

my first cycle was test cyp 500mg a wk for 12 wks.i made some good gains but i basically felt like shite the whole time,lethargic,tired, no energy, totaly wasted.so i know that some have this reaction to higher doses of test.any of u that react like this to test what have u run that works for u or makes u feel like a freight train.im planning my next cycle and basically im looking at running 1/3 test 2/3 deca to see if i feel better on that .what say you?

[skipp]

Why not just a replacement dose of test with about 5-600mg of deca ? I see no point in using too much test if it doesn't agree with you..

[Lexed]

try a different test

[Mike Dura]

That's weird I don't hear that often with test. I feel great on test and even better with test/masterone - but aggressive and cocky. I wouldn't draw any conclusions. Maybe you can try switching to another UGL - assuming it was a ugl?

my first cycle was test cyp 500mg a wk for 12 wks.i made some good gains but i basically felt like shite the whole time,lethargic,tired, no energy, totaly wasted.so i know that some have this reaction to higher doses of test.any of u that react like this to test what have u run that works for u or makes u feel like a freight train.im planning my next cycle and basically im looking at running 1/3 test 2/3 deca to see if i feel better on that .what say you?

[bigtruck07]

your red blood cell count was probably pretty high. i have the same issue

donate blood from time to time. helps out a lot

[skipp]

Test is test. If it was real, and dosed correctly there will be no difference between esters or brands.

[bpm1]

the test was from ab hrt doc so it was real, came from a pharmacy in AL.and i have read others with the same complaint i have. i want to say captain dominant for one if i remember corectly.anyway i might try the blood donation next time if its still an issue but i know there are guys out there w/the same issue.

[Decoder]

Test is test. If it was real, and dosed correctly there will be no difference between esters or brands.

Oh really why am i bothering to take enth over prop if its all the same and i get the same gains and the same results. Its all soo clear now all test is the same why didnt I notice this before.

[Decoder]

whenever i dont gain off a cycle its my fault not the test, It boils down to diet every time. (if your test is real) no questoins about it.

[Hunter]

Oh really why am i bothering to take enth over prop if its all the same and i get the same gains and the same results. Its all soo clear now all test is the same why didnt I notice this before.

the only difference in prop and enth is the ester. Enth has a longer ester then prop so it effects the amount of active horomone(testerone ) Ex 100mgs/ml of prop will have more actual testerone then 100 mgs/ml of enth.

[Jucin4fun]

I am currently having similar problems with my test cycle. Feel tired, no energy, and overall just feel like garbage. I still make myself eat right and train hard. Im only about 10 days into the cycle and feel like this. I have heard numerous times that this is common and agree with Decoder about the diet. Anyways good luck.

[Decoder]

eat foods that give you energy, or **** it take some engery booster from a suppliment store so you can get good work outs on your cycle.

[Decoder]

the only difference in prop and enth is the ester. Enth has a longer ester then prop so it effects the amount of active horomone(testerone) Ex 100mgs/ml of prop will have more actual testerone then 100 mgs/ml of enth.

prop
4-androstene-3-one, 17beta-ol
Testosterone base + Propionate ester
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 74.0792
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C3H6O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 21C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 350-2000mg+ week.
Effective Dose (Women): 50-100mgs/week
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 2-3 weeks
Anabolic /Androgenic ratio:100/100.

ENth

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + Enanthate ester
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester):C7 H12 O
Melting Point (base): 155
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: 3 months

They differ.

[skipp]

Oh really why am i bothering to take enth over prop if its all the same and i get the same gains and the same results. Its all soo clear now all test is the same why didnt I notice this before.

I was talking about the question at hand. If he is lethargic and such on test, the ester will make no difference. Maybe calm down a bit..

[therecanonlybe1]

come on now..test is everybodys best bud..

[Jucin4fun]

how long should it actually take before seeing any results? Im new to the stuff and so far Im not having much luck. Good diet, good training,..but not the results im looking for. Taking 150mg of painful test prop every other day and so far nothing.Been on it for about 10 days.

[MonkeySpit]

Be patient.i was the same. maybe should have kickstarted with some dbol and see some improvement,then you would have been more motivated to push on. took me about 6 weeks to start seeing effects of test. plus my diet was crap. make sure diet and training are more than spot on. and the gains will surely follow.

[MonkeySpit]

also your dose is pretty low.try 400-500mg divided into two shots 200-250mg each leg. you should try to inject only once per week. this will save you time by doing it in one go.

[frank12391]

Why not just a replacement dose of test with about 5-600mg of deca? I see no point in using too much test if it doesn't agree with you..

Or go with NPP

[bpm1]

eat foods that give you energy, or **** it take some engery booster from a suppliment store so you can get good work outs on your cycle.

my diet was spot on, very clean

[bpm1]

also your dose is pretty low.try 400-500mg divided into two shots 200-250mg each leg. you should try to inject only once per week. this will save you time by doing it in one go.

prop should be injected eod at a minimum, its a very short ester, in fact the shortest ester available for test

[bpm1]

Or go with NPP

this is exactly what im gonna do next time, we'll see how it goes

[bpm1]

also your dose is pretty low.try 400-500mg divided into two shots 200-250mg each leg. you should try to inject only once per week. this will save you time by doing it in one go.

on another note even long ester like enenthate and cyp should be injected twice a wk.

[BOOST]

I am coming up to the end a Test E at 500mg per week (shot twice), the first couple of months I felt like this also. I know it sounds little, but I gave blood and take 2cc of B12 per week. I cannot sleep anymore and my prick is always hard I also run armidex at .25 per day. You may want to add this, your estro level may be on the high side.

[John88Test]

whenever i dont gain off a cycle its my fault not the test, It boils down to diet every time. (if your test is real) no questoins about it.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[bpm1]

whenever i dont gain off a cycle its my fault not the test, It boils down to diet every time. (if your test is real) no questoins about it.

i gained quite well at least 10lbs lbm, i just felt like shite the whole time