crazy nu b question

**rockinred** · 05-16-2007, 07:04 PM

I have been researching and reading and asked on this a little already, but it is not clear to me...

anyhow, it is clear that test e kicks in anywhere from 3-7 weeks for people.... so what is confusing me is that, if everyone was to run a 10 week cycle and the one person only felt the effects for week 7-10, then that means he really only did a 3 week cycle... where as the other would get a 7week cycle because he felt the effects at week 3....??? why would that be? is the reasoning not rational?

Does one feel the effects after the 10 weeks and last shot to always make it a 10 week cycle...i.e. gear kicks in 4th week, does the person still feel the effect for 4 weeks after the last shot, making it a 10 week cycle regardless???

**rockinred** · 05-16-2007, 08:18 PM

bump.. should I change the title to get more bites??

**Lexed** · 05-16-2007, 08:22 PM

its kicks in right away but you just dont start seeing the gains

**rockinred** · 05-16-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Lexed

its kicks in right away but you just dont start seeing the gains

ok, but does one ending getting 7 weeks while another only 3 from the same cycle? Do you continue to gain after the 10 weeks the same amount that it took to kick in? 3 for 3, or 5 for 5?

**dirtball_619** · 05-16-2007, 08:28 PM

it kicks in right away? so blood levels start going up the day after after your first injection?

**rockinred** · 05-16-2007, 08:38 PM

well, I guess I when I finish off my cycle I will know the answer...lol. In week 3 all is well... just hear people say they don't feel anything till week 7 while others say they only feel it till week 8 so that is why they went to shorter cycles and front loaded..... so I am gather that a long lasting ester is really only going to be a 3-4 week cycle where you see the actual increase and feel it in the gym...hmmmm, I was looking forward to longer than that....

**Idunno** · 05-16-2007, 09:07 PM

I'm kinda with you on this... I am mid week 3 and still waiting for something big to happen... my strength and muscle tone are up a little but nothing to write home about. I hope the next two weeks do me right or I'll start feeling kinda gypped on this whole deal as I was hoping to add 15 to 20ish lbs and a little fat loss by my wedding. My cycle should be ending just before my wedding so we'll see. I'll be posting pics in the correct section in a week or two to show pre-cycle and week 4 of cycle...

**Njord** · 05-16-2007, 09:13 PM

My body reacts slowly to Test e and Sust. On both cycles I didn't really feel the effects until about week 4. I thought my gear was bad until it finally kicked in. Sp just be patient with it. And there is nothing wrong with going past 10 weeks if you are still getting the benefits from the steroids .

**AnabolicErick** · 05-16-2007, 09:37 PM

hey man... good point... thats why some people use a "jump start"
using dbol at 50mgs a day or prop at 500mgs a week eod shots for the first 4 weeks... if i were you ide use prop dbol to me is all water

**mkrulic** · 05-16-2007, 09:54 PM

I doesnt drop off instantly. I learned in school that w/ an exponential decay 5 half-lifes is considered zero.

**Ryler** · 05-16-2007, 10:59 PM

yea something like 4 half-lives is needed to get blood plasma concentrations to the desired level, so if test E has a half life of 10 days(just making this up) it would take 40 days to get it to the level in the blood that it is in the syringe. Inject 400mg on day 1 of test E and one half-life later half is in your blood(200mg) as "active" test. Confused enough? I am. And everyone's body breaks down the esters in the same time-frame for all-intensive purposes so the various esters all "kick-in" around the same time in every person, differences in "seeing gains" varies based almost solely on a little thing called "diet" IMO hope that helps a little....Good Luck!

**NevrSayNevr** · 05-17-2007, 02:01 AM

Check out this post, it might help. The idea about frontloading is interesting to say the least. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=125401

**sonnygll** · 05-17-2007, 03:21 AM

That's a great article. The only question now is this. What is the half life of test e? Am I right in thinking it is 3.5 days, since people usually inject it twice a week?

so it would go
1 500
3.5 250 + 250 = 500
7 250 + 250 = 500
10.5 250 + 250 = 500

Can anyone confirm that is the half life?

**Njord** · 05-17-2007, 06:56 AM

Enanthate has a half life of about 10 days. You don't want to wait until you reach the half life before you inject again. This would cause large fluctuations in the blood plasma levels. What you are trying to do is build up to a constant level. This is where front loading comes in. It allows you to reach the desired constant level much sooner.

**mkrulic** · 05-17-2007, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by sonnygll

That's a great article. The only question now is this. What is the half life of test e? Am I right in thinking it is 3.5 days, since people usually inject it twice a week?

so it would go
1 500
3.5 250 + 250 = 500
7 250 + 250 = 500
10.5 250 + 250 = 500

Can anyone confirm that is the half life?

the math is not as linear as this. your dealing w/ exponential decay. I think there is a roid calc that people use somwhere. I didnt have much faith in the one I found but I know there are many. I know there is one somwhere that will graph for you.

**sonnygll** · 05-17-2007, 02:20 PM

Ah, I understand now. So half a week must be the optimal point to replenish levels. So you take the 500 the first time, which gets your levels up, and 250 twice a week after that to maintain. So your levels would be close to 500, but a little over after the injection and dropping a little lower when it's time for the next.

That's good to know thanks. I've found a lot of good tips here.