not much gain from Tren A / Test

[amature225]

50mg ED Tren A
500mg EW Test Prop/Cyp

185lbs, 6'2'', 3rd cycle (last year I lost 15 pounds after a serious illness I was never able to regain)

anyhow, I am in week 6 of my 8 week cycle, and while I have gained NO water weight =) I have only put on about 4 pounds. I do LOOK good, but that could just be the test giving me a good pumped look like on any cycle.

My strength has gone up a good amount, and I am pushing myself. I know that I am not eating enough, normally I do Test/Deca and that gives me a crazy appetite, but NO appetite with Tren! i know everyone will just say EAT EAT EAT, and I am trying that with ALL my time, including weight gainer / protein shakes...
I just get FULL to the max (i.e. just stuffed stomach and can't eat anymore for 2 hours)... it seems like my stomach capacity has actually LOWERED.

is my Tren dosage too low? I am at 6% BF probably. My recover time is Very quick.. 2 days soreness max even after crazy workout.

Any suggestions? I wish I would just hook up a calorie IV or something into my arm..
For my next cycle, would it help or hurt to add deca or something (to boost my natural metabolism).

any info will help, I am Really hoping that I at least keep these 4 solid pounds, and hopefully I also lost some BF and turned that weight into muscle.

[Lavinco]

So I assume that you want to bulk up with this cycle.

It's diffacult to assume that eating is the problem without knowing more about your diet.

Give us an example of what you eat and how oftin you eat along with your routine for one day.

[MrNice]

I know that I am not eating enough

therein lies the problem..

what do u want from us?

not much we can say other than eat more!

[SMAN12b]

Steroids are NOT magic!! The can't pull mass out of thin air if you are NOT giving them the correct nutrition to HELP you grow!!!

[john1doe420]

Steroids are NOT magic!! The can't pull mass out of thin air if you are NOT giving them the correct nutrition to HELP you grow!!!

"Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency."

[john1doe420]

Bro are you sure your gear is the real deal? I mean unless you haven't been eatting at all I would say the tren would have put a few more pounds on you. Did you frontload your test?

[scaramouche]

Bro are you sure your gear is the real deal?

lol i was about to ask the same thing

[SMAN12b]

"Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency."

Several key things here.......IMPROVING feed efficiency, YES, but that requires the right FEED.....farmers are not feeding there cattle CRAP

second, HE IS NOT A COW !!!!!

For bodybuilding purposes, steroids need the CORRECT amounts of the RIGHT nutrition for the goals you are looking for

Sure, farmers can get away with feeding less, but it is still quality feed and is used MORE efficient........but the general rule is still the same, garbage in will equal garbage out

[rabidsquirrel]

Several key things here.......IMPROVING feed efficiency, YES, but that requires the right FEED.....farmers are not feeding there cattle CRAP

second, HE IS NOT A COW !!!!!

For bodybuilding purposes, steroids need the CORRECT amounts of the RIGHT nutrition for the goals you are looking for

Sure, farmers can get away with feeding less, but it is still quality feed and is used MORE efficient........but the general rule is still the same, garbage in will equal garbage out

i second this, me and my boy are both on same tren cycle. he doesnt have a deit at all. he drinks his portien shake, and eat ice cream and crap all day. me on the other hand have been working my ass off on my diet. ive gain twice as much weight, strength, and look much better. not to mention i have lost more fat. i believe either you have crap gear or crap diet.

[amature225]

thanks for the input so far. YES.. I want to gain more weight from this.
My gear is the 3ML sachets from Europe of Tren Ace. It has improved strength a good amount, so I assume it is real. It is darker than my Test (and yes, I front-loaded test). But it does Hurt like a bitch! I think it has high BA.. at least that is what a few people suggested. Sore inj sites for about 3 days, and that is only 50mg/day.

The 2nd thing I wanted from you guys is to figure out how to increase my appetite, by maybe adding Deca .. (since in the past Deca really did that for me). Since I just am not able to fit any more food into my stomach, what else can I do? I even tried taking a bunch of fiber pills to help my body process the food.. no effect that I noticed.

I WILL use different Gear next time (tren Enan 75 mg/day), another thing.. I didn't have any sides from the Tren! no acne or anything. I am sweating lot.. but that has always happened to me when I am on a cycle.

thanks.

[MrNice]

I think those 3ml sachets were bunk dude.

Not sure wait for further input, but if I recall the company making 3ml's was crap.

was your test also from those sachets?

[rabidsquirrel]

yeah i think you would have some kind of side from the tren . insomina is and night sweat are very common.

[taiboxa]

i only read one thing

185lbs, 6'2'', 3rd cycle

and i already know the problem

DIET

if u cant gain w/o aas how are u going to sustain the minimal gains u acquire from aas usage? you wont.. so dont waste ur time till u learn to formulate a proper det.

[scaramouche]

b12 shots r a good way to increase appetite

[king6]

I think those 3ml sachets were bunk dude.

Not sure wait for further input, but if I recall the company making 3ml's was crap.

was your test also from those sachets?

Yeah, the 5ML sachets are legit, but supposedly the 3ML were fakes.

[graeme87]

i only read one thing

and i already know the problem

DIET

if u cant gain w/o aas how are u going to sustain the minimal gains u acquire from aas usage? you wont.. so dont waste ur time till u learn to formulate a proper det.

Agreed! 185lbs at 6,2 and you have already done 2 cycles?
Unless you are in contest shape your diet is the prob!

[amature225]

I'm guessing that the 6'2'' 185lbs, 2 cycles under belt is the ONLY part of my post you read. I was up to 197 at my best, lost 15 from a long term illness last year. I tried to gain it back naturally for 9 months with no results.

I do have very low bodyfat.. but yeah.. Diet is a bit of a problem, if you read my thread.. i just can't seem to fit in as much food as I used to. I eat till capacity non-stop, and I feel that my stomach just can't fit as much as it used to.

About the Tren , I DO have a (little) bit of insomnia and night sweats (but I get night sweats from anything.. test or whatever)... but it probably isn't even worth getting it lab tested since the cost is so high to do so.

Now that you guys mention it, I'm thinking I could of gotten these gains from just Test alone. The Test did come in the same Sachets as the Tren.. (same company).. but the test does seem to be working for sure.

VERY little acne from this cycle, and I am kinda acne prone.

So back to my main point, 1) any other ideas on how to increase appetite? (B12 was a good suggestion, if it works)
2) if I do another cycle with Tren E, should I bump it up to 75mg ED, and is there some other compound I could add to the cycle to up my appetite (Deca in the past has been great for creating an appetite.. I just don't know if Deca would be a good choice with Tren E / Test)

[MrNice]

I was up to 197 at my best, lost 15 from a long term illness last year. I tried to gain it back naturally for 9 months with no results.

I do have very low bodyfat.. but yeah.. Diet is a bit of a problem

You can't gain naturally, and you admit diet is a problem



steroids are not magic

[goose]

You can't gain naturally, and you admit diet is a problem



steroids are not magic

They are if you inject 500mg of tren per day

[taiboxa]

They are if you inject 500mg of tren per day

You be quiet! no on asked you!!!!