trens fat-burning effects?

[ascendant]

just curious as to how effective tren is for fat-burning? i mean i know how it does it, but wondering how it compares to say for example clen ? does it work as good? can you use both clen and tren together safely? does it have the same effects as a stimulant (anxiety and the like)?

i'm considering the oral version soon and just wondering if it's worth it? i know the oral is very toxic and normally i NEVER do orals, but it's so ridiculously cheap compared to the inject and i'd only be using it near the end of cutting up, so figured why not, right? plus i don't really drink and certainly wouldn't while using it, so i'm sure i'd be fine. anyway, let me know what you guys think about it as far as what i'd like to know here. thanks.

[G-1000]

Tren works well as a cutter. Buy no it dont burn fat like clen does. But tren and clen together in a cycle works great.

If you have any attachment to you liver you will not do methtren or oral tren

[ascendant]

Tren works well as a cutter. Buy no it dont burn fat like clen does. But tren and clen together in a cycle works great.

If you have any attachment to you liver you will not do methtren or oral tren

great to know, thanks bro. as far as my liver, i know, i really do, and normally i know better. i just don't hardly ever drink, i never do orals (at least not until i've been considering this stuff), and i'd only use it for like the last 3 weeks of cutting up to get that last bit off, so i think i'd be fine. i eat clean as hell and am so disciplined i'm sure it won't be a problem to use it once or twice a year for a few weeks. other than that, i'll only be using injects.

[magic32]

as far as my liver, i know, i really do, and normally i know better. other than that, i'll only be using injects.

Why are you going w/oral Tren instead of a completely injectable cocktail? Just curious.

I echo Gsx, even though it's theorized that Tren's high androgen receptor affinity could possess genuine fat burning properties (claimed by some), I never noticed any ACTUAL ones...as compared to Var.

PS. Have you considered adding T3 to this plan?

[Steel_Test]

I prefer tren and slin, and a heavy protein intake.

[ascendant]

Why are you going w/oral Tren instead of a completely injectable cocktail? Just curious.

I echo Gsx, even though it's theorized that Tren's high androgen receptor affinity could possess genuine fat burning properties (claimed by some), I never noticed any ACTUAL ones...as compared to Var.

PS. Have you considered adding T3 to this plan?

cause i can get the oral tren at a fraction of the cost of the injectable version. plus i eat very healthy and hardly ever drink, so my liver will handle it no problem. i additionally find peoples issues with orals liver-damaging properties to be way overrated.

as far as t3, i can't mix clen and t3. i've tried, but i get really bad insomnia, unless i drop the clen dose considerably when adding the t3 in, which defies the point of even adding it in. also, if i'm not on test at the time, t3 eats away at my muscle like no tomorrow for some reason.

[ascendant]

I prefer tren and slin, and a heavy protein intake.

you'll never catch me doing slin. i don't compete, so it's not worth the risk to me. i'd rather not be a diabetic, thanks.

[G-1000]

you'll never catch me doing slin. i don't compete, so it's not worth the risk to me. i'd rather not be a diabetic, thanks.

I said that 2 years ago. Now i think about only running test gh igf with slin.

[New2Anabolic]

tren ace was wonderful when I took it.

at 15% bf it took me to 9% very fast, with a clean diet of course and a dedicated workout regime.

I loved it, and plan on making it my lover once more.. maybe trying an eth this time - but I don't really see the reason in doing an eth over the acetate.

Anywho, personal experience = 10/10! for fat burning & cutting (strength was icing on the cake)

[magic32]

I realize you know your stuff from previous discussions!

cause i can get the oral tren at a fraction of the cost of the injectable version.
MAKES COMPLETE SENSE, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

plus i eat very healthy and hardly ever drink, so my liver will handle it no problem. i additionally find peoples issues with orals liver-damaging properties to be way overrated.
TRUE.

as far as t3, i can't mix clen and t3. i've tried, but i get really bad insomnia, unless i drop the clen dose considerably when adding the t3 in, which defies the point of even adding it in.
THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT THE COMBINATION...THERE IS NO INSOMNIAC SYNERGY GOING ON, BECAUSE T3 HAS NO CNS STIM OR AUGMENTIVE PROPERTIES.
AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, THE ONLY ISSUE SURROUNDING CLEN AND INSOMNIA IS THAT OF TIMING. CNS STIMS (CLEN, EPH, SYNEPHRINE, L-TYROSINE, ETC.) ONLY HAVE THIS EFFECT WHEN PRESENT AT THE ACTIVE SITE.

SO YOU CAN RUN BOTH, BUT CLEN MUST BE ADMINISTERED EARLY ENOUGH TO HAVE CLEARED PRIOR TO BED TIME.

also, if i'm not on test at the time, t3 eats away at my muscle like no tomorrow for some reason.
IT'S ANABOLISM THAT NEGATES T3'S CATABOLISTIC EFFECT, AND AS ANY FORM OF AAS WILL PROMOTE THIS BY VIRTUE OF GREATER TEST LEVELS, ONE NEED NOT SPECIFICALLY RUN TESTOSTERONE ITSELF. THE TREN, OR ANY OTHER COMPOUND IN SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS WILL MORE THAN NULLIFY THIS EFFECT.

[ascendant]

great info magic, thanks bro.

as far as the clen and t3 though, i take my full dose of clen in the am. i know some people say to split it up, but considering it stays in your system for so long, i don't think it's necessary. so anyway, i would do both in the am, yet i would find that i would feel more stimulated in the evening when taking both? wonder why that is? could having a hyperactive thyroid or something like that be the case? now i'm curious, cause i know it wasn't psychological.

[Knoxston]

i cut up a lil on tren

[king6]

I think trens fat burning properties are a little overrated, but not its mass building properties, most powerfull lean mass builder I have ever used, would def use it again.

[MaleModel]

Tren works well as a cutter. Buy no it dont burn fat like clen does. But tren and clen together in a cycle works great.

If you have any attachment to you liver you will not do methtren or oral tren

wow i was always under the impression that NOTHING burns fat like aas. kinda dissapoints me

[MaleModel]

tren ace was wonderful when I took it.

at 15% bf it took me to 9% very fast, with a clean diet of course and a dedicated workout regime.

I loved it, and plan on making it my lover once more.. maybe trying an eth this time - but I don't really see the reason in doing an eth over the acetate.

Anywho, personal experience = 10/10! for fat burning & cutting (strength was icing on the cake)

ah, thats the type of feedback id except. clen rlly doesnt seem to be all that gr8, i was hoping aas would be 10x better for burning fat.

[taiboxa]

trens nutritient partioning agent is pretty potent at higher doses which is great for extreme calorie deficite diets or even staying lean while bulking.

personaly tren leans me out better than T4

its the ONLY AAS i would say that really does anything noticable to FAT

[one8nine]

Tren works well as a cutter. Buy no it dont burn fat like clen does. But tren and clen together in a cycle works great.

If you have any attachment to you liver you will not do methtren or oral tren

+1

after 5 days of 1.5mg m-tren injects, my piss looks like apple juice super concentrate

[New2Anabolic]

I wonder though, for a future cycle, how do you eliminate libido loss (without test inject)? I mean, it happens, so would running some anti estrogen with it really help? (Ie. Nolva, Clomid, whichever)

[Not to steal thread, just want to further the conversation!]

I don't remember any real side effects with mine aside from the balls, (maybe hair a bit) and some acne (nothing horrible).

[G-1000]

Ok guys if you wont a cycle that will relay help with fat loss this is what yiu need.

Igf 100mg day for 4 week cycles
gh 5iu 5 on 200
tren -e 400-500mg week for 1-12 weeks
var 60mg day 1-12
clen 2 week cycles
eca on clen off weeks.

If you like test you can add a low does of test-p or pp

[Kratos]

I can have a diet like a dumpster and still loose fat on tren .

[MaleModel]

Ok guys if you wont a cycle that will relay help with fat loss this is what yiu need.

Igf 100mg day for 4 week cycles
gh 5iu 5 on 200
tren -e 400-500mg week for 1-12 weeks
var 60mg day 1-12
clen 2 week cycles
eca on clen off weeks.

If you like test you can add a low does of test-p or pp

im def. gonna try that next summer. sounds insane