Frontload or not to frontload?

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 02:12 PM

whats up everyone?

does it make since to front load on test e and deca cycle? and if so, how long do i front load for? my cycle i have planned looks something like this:
week 1 - week 12 600mgs of test e and 300 - 400mgs of deca. i plan to stop the deca on week 10 or 11. no need to worry i have my pct in check. thanks for the help!

**AandF6969** · 09-26-2007, 02:34 PM

Make sure you're taking an AI and something to block progesterone from deca .

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 02:38 PM

i have letro and what do i need to block progesterone?

**AandF6969** · 09-26-2007, 02:41 PM

Cabergoline, Bromo, or B6. B6 is weakest, and Cabergoline is strongest. I'm taking .5mg/week of Cabergoline right now and 300mg B6 and it seems to be working OK.

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 02:45 PM

ok thanks man! do u think i should frontload on my test and deca ? this is my forth cycle and i want it to be a good one and im not sure how to run it. what u think?

**millionairemurph** · 09-26-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

Make sure you're taking an AI and something to block progesterone from deca.

ai's dont block progesterone. caber and bromo do.
most guys just use 300 mg of b6 a day to help with the prolactin from the decca. I found that sufficient

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 02:53 PM

do you need a prescription for Cabergoline?

**millionairemurph** · 09-26-2007, 02:53 PM

yes i would frontload. i ran 500 enth/480 decca and i double dosed the first two shots. If i could do it again i would double dose the first 3 or maybe even four.

**millionairemurph** · 09-26-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by wayne69

do you need a prescription for Cabergoline?

yes, that is how one would obtain said substance legally. however, your source may carry it. Research companys do, like our board sponsor

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 02:56 PM

my plan was to run 600mgs of test e a week and 400mgs of deca a week? how much should i use to frontload and how long for?

**millionairemurph** · 09-26-2007, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by wayne69

i have letro and what do i need to block progesterone?

carefull with the letro. i ran it on the same cycle as this and loved it. It took away the initial bloat that i got. But i was advised to only use .25mg a day for no longer than 8 weeks and by week 6 all my joint were hurting. i have read that a super low estrogen level can lower your immune system and hurt joints somehow.
Soon as i stopped the letro my joints felt good 4 days later.
adex
exmestane etc are safe to run the length of the cycle and for pct

**millionairemurph** · 09-26-2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by wayne69

my plan was to run 600mgs of test e a week and 400mgs of deca a week? how much should i use to frontload and how long for?

i said in post # 8. You could also try frontloading with prop. i ended that cycle with prop so i could start pct sooner.

**wayne69** · 09-26-2007, 03:01 PM

thanks for the info i had no idea letro can do that. i will be sure to some exmestane

**Johny-too-small** · 09-26-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by millionairemurph

ai's dont block progesterone. caber and bromo do.
most guys just use 300 mg of b6 a day to help with the prolactin from the decca. I found that sufficient

Actually, letro blocks progesterone, I believe.

Ive frontloaded a time or 2 before and two of my buddies did as well. We all think that frontloading is good on paper, however, it really does not do anything for your cycle....just my 2cs.

**ecto9** · 09-26-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by AandF6969

Cabergoline, Bromo, or B6. B6 is weakest, and Cabergoline is strongest. I'm taking .5mg/week of Cabergoline right now and 300mg B6 and it seems to be working OK.

Hey quick question everybody, is .5mg (500mcg) a week the normal dose for Caber?

**AandF6969** · 09-26-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Johny-too-small

Actually, letro blocks progesterone, I believe.

Ive frontloaded a time or 2 before and two of my buddies did as well. We all think that frontloading is good on paper, however, it really does not do anything for your cycle....just my 2cs.

I'd have to disagree with you there... I'm pretty sure letro is just estrogen.

**Amuuzeng** · 09-26-2007, 07:40 PM

"With a slight alteration by the enzyme aromatase, estrogen is produced in the male body" from testosterone . An aromatase inhibitor like letrozole or anastrozole blocks the enzyme responsible for this conversion of androgens to estrogens.

Frontloading DOES help get to a steady state level. This may or may not help with an individual. Most I'd say that do it correctly, it will help. You do not need to load AI's or SERM's.