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    First-cycle

    ok is it better to do a 10 week cycle of test at 250mg or a 5 week cycle at
    500mg. Or should i wait to get more and just do a 10 week cycle at 500mg.

    If you think there is a better way for your first cycle let me know this is all new to me any info will help.

    Thanks

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    stats: ?

    more than likely keep it simple run 500mg for 10-12 but no less.

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    you def need more u probably wont even see any gains till week 5-6 im guessing.

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    My advice is to run 500mg/week, and keep the cycle shorter (8 weeks). Use test-E or test-C so you don't have to inject frequently (unless you're somehow experienced with this already.)

    After the 8 week cycle, run PCT, then take 8-16 weeks off and re-evaluate.

    In my opinion there is no reason to run a longer cycle than 8 weeks for your first one. (I wouldn't do it anyways as I don't like shutting my system down for that long.) It's easy enough to just do another one, and it's really worth knowing what kind of sides a basic cycle like this will give you.

    You may not see gains until week 5, but in weeks 5-10 (the 2 weeks after you're done you will probably still see growth) you're growth will be through the roof. If the gains not showing up until week 5 is an issue, you can frontload the test and it should advance this by a week at least.

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    I'm using test cyp on my current cycle with Dbol , and 2 weeks into it, I am beginning to notice definite gains. Look around the forums about stacking before you start though.

    I would have to agree that 250mg a week wouldn't do much. Also, you should hold off on ordering more gear for a while until this DEA crap blows over.

    Here are my stats and current cycle.

    22 years old
    6'6"
    234 pounds (After a good bm

    Test Cypionate @600mg/week (Three 200mg injections per week)
    Dianabol @ 40mg/day (Two 20mg drinks per day)
    Milk Thistle @900mg/day (To help protect liver)
    Test runs until end of cycle, easing off the dosage slowly starting at week 9.
    Dbol runs until week 6, and bleeds off slowly until week 7.

    While this works well so far for me, everyone is different, so check around, and good luck!
    Last edited by NorseTemplar; 09-28-2007 at 08:57 AM.

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    What type of test? Enan, Cyp? If so, dont go under 10-12 weeks. Ive seen some members run at a low dose but 500mg/ew seems to be the happy spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvc565
    My advice is to run 500mg/week, and keep the cycle shorter (8 weeks). Use test-E or test-C so you don't have to inject frequently (unless you're somehow experienced with this already.)

    After the 8 week cycle, run PCT, then take 8-16 weeks off and re-evaluate.

    In my opinion there is no reason to run a longer cycle than 8 weeks for your first one. (I wouldn't do it anyways as I don't like shutting my system down for that long.) It's easy enough to just do another one, and it's really worth knowing what kind of sides a basic cycle like this will give you.

    You may not see gains until week 5, but in weeks 5-10 (the 2 weeks after you're done you will probably still see growth) you're growth will be through the roof. If the gains not showing up until week 5 is an issue, you can frontload the test and it should advance this by a week at least.
    I disagree. In my first cycle with enan I went 12 weeks. I made very good quality gains up until week 10. Heck, for many bros, a long ester test wont kick in until week 6-7 or 8! Why stop when youre still growing or when the test is just starting to kick?

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    exactly 100% what johnny 2small said. 12 weeks . i didnt even notice much till week 8 . 8 weeks doesnt make any sence to me at all why even do it.

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    8 weeks is too short imo for a long estered test cycle. 10-12 weeks bro. Likey Johnny said he kept growing till week 10. why stop when your still growing. Norsetemplar run dbol for 6 weeks bleeding off on week 7
    ? why not only 4-5 weeks? And why taper down the test? really no need too.

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    #1 I always have extra gear when Im going to run a cycle in case there are any problems.

    #2 No problem running 250mgs/wk your first cycle, you will have good gains. I would prefer a 12 weeker though

    #3 Where is your pct?

    Quote Originally Posted by lazy eye
    ok is it better to do a 10 week cycle of test at 250mg or a 5 week cycle at
    500mg. Or should i wait to get more and just do a 10 week cycle at 500mg.

    If you think there is a better way for your first cycle let me know this is all new to me any info will help.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    #1 I always have extra gear when Im going to run a cycle in case there are any problems.

    #2 No problem running 250mgs/wk your first cycle, you will have good gains. I would prefer a 12 weeker though

    #3 Where is your pct?
    He'll order it after 5 weeks of test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small
    Why stop when youre still growing or when the test is just starting to kick?
    Sides. He hasn't run a cycle before and doesn't know how his body is going to react. I prefer to play it conservative, that's why I give this advice. Is an additional 5lbs of muscle worth shrunken nuts and no hair? Cutting it 4 weeks short can go a long ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvc565
    Sides. He hasn't run a cycle before and doesn't know how his body is going to react. I prefer to play it conservative, that's why I give this advice. Is an additional 5lbs of muscle worth shrunken nuts and no hair? Cutting it 4 weeks short can go a long ways.
    Your logic does not add up.

    Testicular atrophy is not permenant and can easily be avoidable with hcg . Some users can be shutdown forever and have little to no atrophy. Hairloss is genetic, you either have MPB or you dont. All other sides are not cycle length dependent (within reason). Ive ran plenty of 10+ weekers and never lost a hair, and my nuts always come back. If youre that worried, stay natural..or do it the right way.

    It is pointless to run a cycle only to stop short because your afraid of a few sides. That is a stupid approach to running and maximizing your anabolics.

    You do realize that your theory is in the extreme minority of thought amoung the millions of anabolic users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small
    Your logic does not add up.

    Testicular atrophy is not permenant and can easily be avoidable with hcg . Some users can be shutdown forever and have little to no atrophy. Hairloss is genetic, you either have MPB or you dont. All other sides are not cycle length dependent (within reason). Ive ran plenty of 10+ weekers and never lost a hair, and my nuts always come back. If youre that worried, stay natural..or do it the right way.

    It is pointless to run a cycle only to stop short because your afraid of a few sides. That is a stupid approach to running and maximizing your anabolics.

    You do realize that your theory is in the extreme minority of thought amoung the millions of anabolic users?

    Good info here, I would have thought increasing the cycle by 4 weeks would increase the sides more. I've read a lot of the short cycle posts on here and that's where the logic comes from.

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    If you frontload test E it kicks in a lot faster. Your blood levels peak very quickly. I started getting results the very end of week 2, week 3 was decent and I was getting full effect the beginning of week 4 and on. So if you get 20 amps, you have 9 weeks of injections. That's a nice cycle just to try it out. Nothing wrong with with getting more and extending it out though. To be honest this is one of the most gentle drugs I've been on as far as sides. A little acne was the only negative thing I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvc565
    Good info here, I would have thought increasing the cycle by 4 weeks would increase the sides more. I've read a lot of the short cycle posts on here and that's where the logic comes from.
    Understand. I want to get into short burst cycles for a faster recovery. You really have to master your entire routine around your cycle for best results.

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