No Test In My Cycle.

**Cuttup** · 09-25-2007, 05:54 PM

Weve al heard it a million and one times. Test should be the main ingredient of a cycle. My last three all consisted of Test. Test with Tren , or Eq, Or Mast...However, recently I spoke to a good friend and former Mr ( State ) bodybuilder who just finished a show in which we disgust his cycle. Suprisingly it did not contain any Test. He was HGH, Tren, and damn near everything else. No test for one reason..It makes him hold water like the allot of us. He said he includes in at certain points during the year ( only when trying to get bigger ) but MONTHS prior to a show he drops it. I am not a competeing Body Builder but I do have a prob with holder water ( even with Prop ) My last Cycle was Test,Tren, Mast, and Var. My diest was to a T, Cardio was better than ever before and yet..I held water..mainly in my face, abs, and below the shoulders where your delt meets the tricep. One week after dropping the Prop..the water just caame off and I could not beleive how ripped I became with out changing diet or cardio. Infact I slowed down on cardio and cheated with food quite a bit. With this being said..what do you guys think of no Test during a cycle. If you have done one without Test..what worked well for you. I know HGH is a factor with this friend of mind and helped him quite a bit. Altho i have not done HGH i am considering it but would prefer not to at this point so for now I want a cycle with out HGH or Test..Thakns guys

**Big** · 09-25-2007, 06:01 PM

Have you ran an ai in your cycle and still had bloating problems?

**lawsey000** · 09-25-2007, 06:20 PM

How does Mr. State keep his noodle up now?

**bigboomer** · 09-25-2007, 06:30 PM

Well test make cause light bloating but not bad for me. Now add some deca and test and I blow up with water weight pretty good. But it doesn't bother me because it drops off after cycle. My buddy ran a deca only cycle and has no sex drive at all, even now after cycle he told me is having problems getting the little man to perform without viagra. And it's been almost two months after his pct. Fvck that! But I just deal with the water weight, the positives out number the negatives to me. The main one is being able to pop a boner on cycle.

**taiboxa** · 09-25-2007, 07:21 PM

not running a trt dosing scheme on any cycle involving suppressive compounds is IDIOTIC at best!
you are a MALE or atleast i hope, your body NEEDS test for proper physiological functions.. why would u deny your body what it needs, you dont need INSANDE doses just enough to keep your body going normally. but hey ur libido, ur mood, ur mentallity not mine..

**Primalinstinct** · 09-25-2007, 07:30 PM

Test = base ... Counter your shut-down consequences, man.

I dare to say you could suffer long term, irreversible symptoms to your manhood qualities if you didn't.

Good luck. It's your life.

**spooledup** · 09-25-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Primalinstinct

Test = base ... Counter your shut-down consequences, man.

I dare to say you could suffer long term, irreversible symptoms to your manhood qualities if you didn't.

Good luck. It's your life.

WTF?

So you're telling me if I don't include test in my cycle then I won't recover as well as if I used test on cycle?? Bullshit.

I recover MUCH quicker when I use EQ as a base and use oxandrolone or stan. It is MORE difficult for me to recover when I add test.

I'm using more test e right now than anything else and my sex drive isn't raging. Test is overrated

I've liked EQ based cycles and have met or exceeded goals when using them. Stop parroting test, if it doesn't fit someones goals then do not encourage it.

Amazes me the harems that are needed to be satisfied on this board. If you're not walking around with a hard-on 24/7 I guess you're not a man. And unsafe?? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with safety.

**Primalinstinct** · 09-25-2007, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by spooledup

WTF?

So you're telling me if I don't include test in my cycle then I won't recover as well as if I used test on cycle?? Bullshit.

I recover MUCH quicker when I use EQ as a base and use oxandrolone or stan. It is MORE difficult for me to recover when I add test.

I'm using more test e right now than anything else and my sex drive isn't raging. Test is overrated

I've liked EQ based cycles and have met or exceeded goals when using them. Stop parroting test, if it doesn't fit someones goals then do not encourage it.

Amazes me the harems that are needed to be satisfied on this board. If you're not walking around with a hard-on 24/7 I guess you're not a man. And unsafe?? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with safety.

Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

You seem to already know WTF you are talking about and have all of your answers you need, punk.

So why don't you get the **** out of here?

BTW, I'm not a parrot. I'm A ****ING ANIMAL.

**bpm1** · 09-25-2007, 09:24 PM

common boys play nice,
sounds like u know the sides u could experience without the test in your cycle so if the worst case scenerio is ok with u or u just want to see how u do go for it and post up the results/ how u fared

**Kratos** · 09-25-2007, 09:26 PM

physical damage is not irrevesable primalinstinct
just the damage to my pride that was done when I couldn't get it up on a tren only cycle
It made me a depressed lazy mo-fo to have no test in my system also
TRT min is the way to go when using supressive compounds, no reason not to as long as you use an AI bloat should be minimal

**PEWN** · 09-25-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by Primalinstinct

Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

You seem to already know WTF you are talking about and have all of your answers you need, punk.

So why don't you get the **** out of here?

BTW, I'm not a parrot. I'm A ****ING ANIMAL.

Originally Posted by spooledup

WTF?

So you're telling me if I don't include test in my cycle then I won't recover as well as if I used test on cycle?? Bullshit.

I recover MUCH quicker when I use EQ as a base and use oxandrolone or stan. It is MORE difficult for me to recover when I add test.

I'm using more test e right now than anything else and my sex drive isn't raging. Test is overrated

I've liked EQ based cycles and have met or exceeded goals when using them. Stop parroting test, if it doesn't fit someones goals then do not encourage it.

Amazes me the harems that are needed to be satisfied on this board. If you're not walking around with a hard-on 24/7 I guess you're not a man. And unsafe?? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with safety.

both of you calm your selves theres no need for that ....

**Cuttup** · 09-26-2007, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by ImaGetBigger

Have you ran an ai in your cycle and still had bloating problems?

Yes, I ran Letro the entire time. When the Water weight was unbarable I did about 2.5 for 4-5 days..of course that destroyed my sex drive so I dropped it to .5-1mg per day. I will say Letro helps me allot more than Nolva but still..the water hung around. The funny thing is that I was on Test Prop, tren , mast, and var. Last year I was on test E, Test Prop, Eq, and var and altho I still held water....it was much less which is suprisinfg since part of the cycle contained Test E. I really expected the Tren and Mast to do a better job the Eq. Funny cause in some ways it did. I was more vascular and had allot more veins in my forearms and calves but the water weight was greater than the Test and Eq cycle.

**Cuttup** · 09-26-2007, 06:35 AM

I have to somewhat agree with you altho Ive never done a cycle withou Test...My sex drive came back much sooner when I ran it with Eq (vs) Mast or Tren .....Then again Tren is known for being tuff like deca .

Originally Posted by spooledup

WTF?

So you're telling me if I don't include test in my cycle then I won't recover as well as if I used test on cycle?? Bullshit.

I recover MUCH quicker when I use EQ as a base and use oxandrolone or stan. It is MORE difficult for me to recover when I add test.

I'm using more test e right now than anything else and my sex drive isn't raging. Test is overrated

I've liked EQ based cycles and have met or exceeded goals when using them. Stop parroting test, if it doesn't fit someones goals then do not encourage it.

Amazes me the harems that are needed to be satisfied on this board. If you're not walking around with a hard-on 24/7 I guess you're not a man. And unsafe?? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with safety.