my first cycle

[new_user]

hey guys

here's what i'm gonna run next month:

week 1-8 sustanon 250 twise a week.
week 8-10 HCG 500i/u everyday
week 11-12 clomid 100mg everyday
week 13 clomid 50mg everyday
week 3-10 10mg nolva everyday
week 11-13 20mg nolva

what do you think guys? remember it's my first cycle
do I need to change anything? or everything is good to go?

thanxx

[nowdenlid]

hey guys

here's what i'm gonna run next month:

week 1-8 sustanon 250 twise a week.
week 8-10 HCG 500i/u everyday
week 11-12 clomid 100mg everyday
week 13 clomid 50mg everyday
week 3-10 10mg nolva everyday
week 11-13 20mg nolva

what do you think guys? remember it's my first cycle
do I need to change anything? or everything is good to go?

thanxx

no need for hcg with a very mild cycle like this.

i would run the sust @ 125mg eod and up it to 10-12 weeks.

no need to add nolva unless you start seeing sings of gyno,save nolva for pct with clomid.

what are your stats ?

age,hight,weight,bf,ect

[new_user]

sorry nowdenlid ,i forgot to write my stats.

i'm 23 years old, 170 cm, 75 kg.

are yoy sure there's no need to run HCG and Nolva? I thought i could use them to start free test. again.

how can i run only 125 eod? i bought 250 sustanon , how can I split it?

[Consistency]

take 1/2 ml EOD and then you got 125mg EOD
HCG isnt usually used for a short cycle like this, but it can only help

[nowdenlid]

sorry nowdenlid ,i forgot to write my stats.

i'm 22 years old, 172 cm, 75 kg.

are yoy sure there's no need to run HCG and Nolva? I thought i could use them to start free test. again.

how can i run only 125 eod? i bought 250 sustanon, how can I split it?

stats are not good for running a cycle.

open the amp of sust draw half ml into one barral and half ml into another ,shot one and save other for next shot.

no need for hcg m8 and as i said only use nolva is you start seeing sings of gyno.

whats your body fat?

how long you been lifting ?

post you diet up please >

[new_user]

thanx Consistency
i'll use HCG for one week, using 500 i/u, what do you think? or I don't need to use hcg at all?

[new_user]

stats are not good for running a cycle.

why not?

open the amp of sust draw half ml into one barral and half ml into another ,shot one and save other for next shot.

thanx i'll do like you saied

whats your body fat?

13%

how long you been lifting ?

about a year

thanx alot guys, more suggestions?

[new_user]

i would run the sust @ 125mg eod and up it to 10-12 weeks.

one more thing, am I going to need hcg , nolva and clomid if I run 125mg sust. for 10-12 weeks?

[nowdenlid]

one more thing, am I going to need hcg, nolva and clomid if I run 125mg sust. for 10-12 weeks?

YOU DONT NEED HCG FOR THIS CYCLE........

sust 125 mgs eod weeks 1-12

pct starts 16 days after last shot of sust.(NOLVA AND CLOMID)

BUT AS I SAID BEFOR YOUR NOT READY FOR A CYCLE YET

[AandF6969]

If you can't get above 165 lbs. without steroids then something is seriously wrong with your diet and/or training.

How many calories do you eat every day? What did you weigh when you started lifting?

Regardless if you choose to follow advice or not, if you do a cycle with a shitty diet you're going to get shitty results. Steroids aren't magic, they need raw materials to form muscle from somewhere.. it just doesn't appear out of thin air. Muscle is built from the foods you eat, and if there isn't enough of it, you'll get shitty results (mostly water gain)

[mx3]

you dont need hcg , I use it but only because I run a 19 nor every cycle. Save the hcg for a different cycle. Dont run nolva until pct unless you see signs of gyno but you pry wont. PCt nolva and clomid is all you need for a mild cycle like that. extend your cycle 10-12 wks like they said you will be happy you did.

[new_user]

thanx guys

but i still don't understand why am i not ready for any cycle?? i'm over 165lbs, i eat 4-6 meals ed. not so much fat, about 160 g protein, 300 g carbs.
by the way, I was 65 before i start the trening, and I didn't train everyday. i started to train everyday 4 months ago.

[AandF6969]

thanx guys

but i still don't understand why am i not ready for any cycle?? i'm over 165lbs, i eat 4-6 meals ed. not so much fat, about 160 g protein, 300 g carbs.
by the way, I was 65 before i start the trening, and I didn't train everyday. i started to train everyday 4 months ago.

Once again, your diet is lacking... you can't build muscle without sufficient calories, plain and simple.

There's a reason you can't gain weight, and its not because youre not juicing.

75kg * 2.2lbs/kg = 165 lbs

According to this website http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
you need approximately 2800 calories per day to maintain your current bodyweight of 165 lbs. To gain weight, you should eat 500-1000 more than that. That would be a minimum of 3300 calories per day.

If you eat 160g protein and 300g carbs, you're only getting 1840 calories from those sources. Unless your diet consists of 162g of fats per day, there is no way you can be eating enough food to gain weight.

Your diet sucks, and steroids aren't going to help it. Sorry if it's not the answer you want to hear, it's just the truth.

Read this Hardgainer? Can't gain weight? READ THIS!!!

Once again, I would highly recommend posting your diet in the diet forum for critique.

[mx3]

add three true mass shakes on top of your 4-6 ed. they have eight hundred cals. a piece. your protein should be around 300 at that weight. you should take in at least 4500 cals ed to gain weight. if you have to eat some crap food chinese, pizza anything to boost your cals you can worry about cutting the fat after you have a decent base.

[AandF6969]

add three true mass shakes on top of your 4-6 ed. they have eight hundred cals. a piece. your protein should be around 300 at that weight. you should take in at least 4500 cals ed to gain weight. if you have to eat some crap food chinese, pizza anything to boost your cals you can worry about cutting the fat after you have a decent base.

Those shakes are garbage... real food proteins and complex carbohydrates are much better.

[new_user]

thanx guys I appreciate your help

so, in fact, you're saying that i need to gain more weight, no need for hcg , and my cycle should be 10-12 weeks.

[nowdenlid]

thanx guys I appreciate your help

so, in fact, you're saying that i need to gain more weight, no need for hcg, and my cycle should be 10-12 weeks.

yes youy do need to gain more weight(not fat)

i know guys who are 175lbs and 7-8% bf and they look amazing and i would say they are ready to cycle.

[fsu1985]

500 mgs of sustanon for 8 weeks isn't going to do much at all

my first cycle- 20 mls of testosterone dopot - 10 weeks at 400 mgs- really didn't do all that much

I'd save it and stack it with something when you get your hands on it. i have found that with me- unless im taking dbol / prop to jump start a cycle it usually takes about 4 weeks to even notice a difference with sustanon. There is prop in that sustanon but not enough for you to see very many resluts until about a month. So, after about 4 weeks when you do notice a difference you are only going to have about 5 or 6 weeks worth of decent gains..

its my opinion; im sure many are going to disagree though.. i'd save it and get more gear and concentrate on getting a little bit further naturally.

[new_user]

ok fsu1985
but what do you suggest? it's my first cycle, i don't want to use so much steroids . i've been told that using sus for tow months will be great.
what can I add to this cycle in your opnion?

[nowdenlid]

i think the best cycle you could do is a cycle off food.here we go lets say

weeks 1-5000 4000 cals everyday.

weeks 1-5000 4 times per week in the gym

weeks 1-5000 10 hours sleep per day.

you should gain a good 30-35lbs on this cycle .

[fsu1985]

i know i know- your first cycle- but if you want it to be a "great" expeirience, this is what i would do. Run 500 mgs of sust for 12 weeks along with something like decca/eq/masteron /primo/anavar /winstrol at 350 mgs a week. anyone of those will help you increase the chances of you keeping your gains.

i look at steroids in three different classes
what are different types of steroids

3 types thats what you get if used alone : progestronic ones like adrol , deca , tren , so these 3 should never get stacked toghther as they are too similar , they are quite effective but cause terrible nut shrinkage so imposible to keep gains ,they need several months of pct to bring balls back so if useing these put them at the start of cycle and gradualy tapper or switch then to other AAS .. anti estrogen also totaly useless and ineffective with these as they dont convert to estrogen .. they have estrogenic activity by itself ,adrol is hit and miss item works wonder for some and not at all for others ..

DHT drived ones like winy , anavar , primo , masteron , etc noone make huge gain on so they still regarded as stack drug , they cause less nut shrinkage so more likly to keep gains

the rest fall in third class , Test , dball , EQ these are best only if you know how to use it .. they convert to estrogen which is easly blocked or stoped by anti estrogen , the nut shrinkage and gyno both can be controlled

i personally think you should use one of the 3rd class drugs with one other coupound of the other two classes to see optimum results reguardless if it is your 1st or 10th time taking steroids. good luck!

[fsu1985]

i kinda agree with the dude with the arnold pic too.. lol/ but if you are doing everything you are saying you are doing than throw some sauce into the equation!

[new_user]

i think the best cycle you could do is a cycle off food.here we go lets say

weeks 1-5000 4000 cals everyday.

weeks 1-5000 4 times per week in the gym

weeks 1-5000 10 hours sleep per day.

you should gain a good 30-35lbs on this cycle .

i got that, I have a whole month in front of me, i think that i can gain about 15 lbs. if not so i can wait another month. but i've got to know what am I going to run. coz it takes about a month or more to get the stoff that i need in the cycle. it's to difficult to find it here where i live.
that's why i'm askig now

[nowdenlid]

i got that, I have a whole month in front of me, i think that i can gain about 15 lbs. if not so i can wait another month. but i've got to know what am I going to run. coz it takes about a month or more to get the stoff that i need in the cycle. it's to difficult to find it here where i live.
that's why i'm askig now

15lbs in 1 month .

just forget the gear for now just keeping reading on here and in 6 months time you will be ready to make up your own mind on what to do .

good luck and take care.

[new_user]

15lbs in 1 month .

just forget the gear for now just keeping reading on here and in 6 months time you will be ready to make up your own mind on what to do .

good luck and take care.

how much weight do I really need to start a cycle? as said, i'm 165 now.

[nowdenlid]

how much weight do I really need to start a cycle? as said, i'm 165 now.

200lbs 10% body fat would be good.

i think you need to hit the gym and learn how to eat right before you go anywere near steroids .

in around 3 years time i would say you are good to go.

sorry if i sound harsh but i am only stating the truth. .

[new_user]

200lbs 10% body fat would be good.

i think you need to hit the gym and learn how to eat right before you go anywere near steroids .

in around 3 years time i would say you are good to go.

sorry if i sound harsh but i am only stating the truth. .

nooo bro, it's ok

i'm asking for ur advice coz i'm a newbie, but i don't think i'll wait three years , but the first thing i'll do is , as you said, gain more weight. I can wait some other few months till I get the weight I need

believe it or not, I eat right and train right. so why i'm not getting so much weight? well, my trainer says that my body type i just like that. I cant gain so much, that's why i'm thinking about using steroids.

[nowdenlid]

nooo bro, it's ok

i'm asking for ur advice coz i'm a newbie, but i don't think i'll wait three years , but the first thing i'll do is , as you said, gain more weight. I can wait some other few months till I get the weight I need

at the end of the day its all down to you what you do .

good luck and just be carefull in what you do

[AandF6969]

believe it or not, I eat right and train right. so why i'm not getting so much weight? well, my trainer says that my body type i just like that. I cant gain so much, that's why i'm thinking about using steroids.

Sounds like your trainer doesn't understand simple biology.

You don't eat right and train right. If you were eating right, you would gain weight. As stated above, scientifically and biologically, you need somewhere in the range of 3300-3800 calories per day to gain weight at a reasonable rate. If you don't eat that much, you don't gain weight, plain as day.

If you eat 160g protein and 300g carbs, you're only getting 1840 calories from those sources. Unless your diet consists of 162g of fats per day, there is no way you can be eating enough food to gain weight. You would literally have to be drinking olive oil at each meal to achieve that goal. So, no, you don't eat right.

You can go ahead and use steroids to make up for a lacking diet... but you will be disappointed.

And, for the third time, you should post your diet in the diet forum for critique so we can make sure you "eat right". Probably should do the same with your workouts as well.

[Consistency]

Sounds like your trainer doesn't understand simple biology.

You don't eat right and train right. If you were eating right, you would gain weight. As stated above, scientifically and biologically, you need somewhere in the range of 3300-3800 calories per day to gain weight at a reasonable rate. If you don't eat that much, you don't gain weight, plain as day.

If you eat 160g protein and 300g carbs, you're only getting 1840 calories from those sources. Unless your diet consists of 162g of fats per day, there is no way you can be eating enough food to gain weight.

You can go ahead and use steroids to make up for a lacking diet... but you will be disappointed.

And, for the third time, you should post your diet in the diet forum for critique so we can make sure you "eat right". Probably should do the same with your workouts as well.

listen to him ^^ hes dead on

[Second2None]

i wouldnt do sust. on first cycle, do test e you will see much more gains or omnadren ,

[new_user]

i wouldnt do sust. on first cycle, do test e you will see much more gains or omnadren,

omnadren ??? isn't it the same as sustanon ?

why would I do omnadren but not sustanon? would you please explain?

[J*U*icEd]

i don't even wana get involved in this thread... there is so many wrong things going on here and i don't wana sit here for a half hour typing everything... the only thing is will say is don't cycle yet, wait till you gain more weight and get your diet in check...

[J*U*icEd]

i know i know- your first cycle- but if you want it to be a "great" expeirience, this is what i would do. Run 500 mgs of sust for 12 weeks along with something like decca/eq/masteron /primo/anavar /winstrol at 350 mgs a week. anyone of those will help you increase the chances of you keeping your gains.

i look at steroids in three different classes
what are different types of steroids

3 types thats what you get if used alone : progestronic ones like adrol , deca , tren , so these 3 should never get stacked toghther as they are too similar , they are quite effective but cause terrible nut shrinkage so imposible to keep gains ,they need several months of pct to bring balls back so if useing these put them at the start of cycle and gradualy tapper or switch then to other AAS .. anti estrogen also totaly useless and ineffective with these as they dont convert to estrogen .. they have estrogenic activity by itself ,adrol is hit and miss item works wonder for some and not at all for others ..

DHT drived ones like winy , anavar , primo , masteron , etc noone make huge gain on so they still regarded as stack drug , they cause less nut shrinkage so more likly to keep gains

the rest fall in third class , Test , dball , EQ these are best only if you know how to use it .. they convert to estrogen which is easly blocked or stoped by anti estrogen , the nut shrinkage and gyno both can be controlled

i personally think you should use one of the 3rd class drugs with one other coupound of the other two classes to see optimum results reguardless if it is your 1st or 10th time taking steroids. good luck!

and fsu you have no idea what ur talking about...

[AandF6969]

i don't even wana get involved in this thread... there is so many wrong things going on here and i don't wana sit here for a half hour typing everything... the only thing is will say is don't cycle yet, wait till you gain more weight and get your diet in check...

I can't believe people are actually making cycle recommendations for this kid

[J*U*icEd]

i kinda agree with the dude with the arnold pic too.. lol/ but if you are doing everything you are saying you are doing than throw some sauce into the equation!

hes obviously not doin the right thing and should not be hittin the sauce right now... get cals up and gain some more weight... stick around the forum and gain some more knowledge(new user and fsu)!!!

[new_user]

calm down people

like said, I will not do any cycle untill I gain more weight.
all I need to know is what stoff do I need for a good cycle? to buy steroids here where I live, it can even take months to get what I want.

AandF6969

i'm reading the articles in diet questions forum, starting with your article

[J*U*icEd]

calm down people

like said, I will not do any cycle untill I gain more weight.
all I need to know is what stoff do I need for a good cycle? to buy steroids here where I live, it can even take months to get what I want.

AandF6969

i'm reading the articles in diet questions forum, starting with your article

there you go now ur on the right track... do lots and lots of research on these forums and ull be amazed at what u learn, and what u shouldve been doin since you started working out.... good luck!

[ChuckLee]

i don't even wana get involved in this thread... there is so many wrong things going on here and i don't wana sit here for a half hour typing everything... the only thing is will say is don't cycle yet, wait till you gain more weight and get your diet in check...

I completely agree...
1 year of lifting isn't enough to start with chemicals

[new_user]

there you go now ur on the right track... do lots and lots of research on these forums and ull be amazed at what u learn, and what u shouldve been doin since you started working out.... good luck!

i'm already amazed
i have some more questions please, 1) why should I gain over 200lbs before starting any cycle? (i'm just wondering so I know the reason, not because I want to run the cycle now. i'll wait with the cycle i promise).
2) after reading what have been written, my new cycle should look like this:

week 1-12 sustanon 125 eod.
week 14 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 100mg ed.
week 15 nolvadex 10mg ed and clomid 50mg ed.


3. someone said at would be better if I use omnadren , is that right? why?
I read the article about omnadren ,at the homepage of this site, it's just like sustanon. why it would be better?

I know that I maybe bothered you by asking too much questions, but you are the only who I can trust when it comes to steroids .