2nd cycle advice

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 07:57 PM

so guys im almost finished with my 12 week bulk cycle that consits of
12 weeks of test e at 500mg/week
10 weeks of deca at 400mg/week

have to say i am pretty impressed with what i got, my body changed and my weights went through the roof

but anyways for my next cycle i was thinkin of a cutter, but im scared that i may cut too much, i guess i wanna just lean up a bit. what do u guys think of these two cycles im considering. please add and give me a hand thank you guys

8 weeks:
testosteron enanthate (600mg/wk)
eq (400mg/wk) for 12wks
winny the last 4-5 wks of the cycle

8 Weeks:
Wk 1 - 8 Test Prop 75 mg E.O.D
Wk 1 - 6 Tren Ace 50 mg E.O.D
Wk 4 - 8 Winny 50 mg E.D.

**buffgator** · 11-23-2007, 08:05 PM

I would try a different approach. On the first one the test e needs to be ran longer, and the eq needs to be ran at 600mg per week. I would recomend winnie the last 5 weeks before pct.

The second one the tren a should be bumped to at total of at least 300mg per week.

**topnotch** · 11-23-2007, 08:14 PM

I like the 2nd cycle, w/ what buffgator said...i'd run the tren at 100eod, then try bumping it to 150 eod...your leanning out will depend more on your diet though...

**Amorphic** · 11-23-2007, 08:18 PM

second is better with the above adjustments

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:20 PM

so how should my training change, like should i continue lifting heavy weights and how much cardio?

**Amorphic** · 11-23-2007, 08:21 PM

continue lifting heavy yes, just increase your cardio and potentially decrease your calorie intake to accomodate a cutter.

**Big** · 11-23-2007, 08:22 PM

What are your stats? How long are you taking off between cycles?

**Amorphic** · 11-23-2007, 08:24 PM

considering you are just finishing your cycle right now, i hope you are taking off at least 4 months before you cycle again, as well as getting appropriate bloodwork

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:25 PM

yes i will be, ill be takin at least the same amount of time off as i was on the cycle. how should my pct look like for a cycle like that?

**Amorphic** · 11-23-2007, 08:26 PM

time on +pct = time off.

pct could be the same as the pct you are running now, which is what exactly?

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:29 PM

start 2 weeks after last injection
150mg clomid ed for 2 weeks
100mg clomid ed for 1 week
50mg clomid ed for 1 week

**Big** · 11-23-2007, 08:32 PM

Stats?

**topnotch** · 11-23-2007, 08:35 PM

clomid alone isn't enough imo...at least need some aromasin in there with it

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:42 PM

really clomid not enough?

**Big** · 11-23-2007, 08:45 PM

Is there a reason you refuse to post your stats?

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:48 PM

oh sorry man
205lbs
36" waist
16" arms im not sure what my body fat is

**Big** · 11-23-2007, 08:51 PM

Age?
Height?
I'm not trying to pry, it's just easier to advise when we know a little more about you.

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 08:54 PM

ya forsure man, ill tell ya whatever u need to know, i love to learn
23 and im 5'9

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 09:01 PM

ya i was thinkin of extending my 12 week cycle of test and deca to 14 weeks, do u think thats ok?

**Big** · 11-23-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Blitzed187

ya i was thinkin of extending my 12 week cycle of test and deca to 14 weeks, do u think thats ok?

14 weeks is fine, but stop your deca 2 weeks before you stop yout test. Being that you are running a 19nor like deca, I like Anthony Roberts pct, it's very effective for suppressive cycles like this. Here is the link, see what you think:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 09:19 PM

ya pretty knowledgeable, so do u think that clomid is enough for pct?

**buffgator** · 11-23-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by topnotch

clomid alone isn't enough imo...at least need some aromasin in there with it

clomid alone was used for like 20 years and produced great results. Aromasin in there would most likely help, but allot of people clomid is all they need. I have had clomid alone work for me many times, and then a few times it did not.

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 09:31 PM

ok so im considering for next cycle
8 Weeks:
Wk 1 - 8 Test Prop 75 mg E.O.D
Wk 1 - 8 Tren Ace 100 mg E.O.D
Wk 4 - 8 Winny 50 mg E.D.

Proper PCT

Nolva 40 40 20 20
Clomid 150 100 75 50

sound ok guys? one question shouldnt the test be higher than everything else?

**topnotch** · 11-23-2007, 11:43 PM

no, test doesn't have to be higher than anything else, as long as you have a hrt dose you'll be fine...i'd start w/ those doses, then after a couple weeks, if your fine w/ sides i'd bump the tren on up to 150 eod...other than that looks pretty good though

**topnotch** · 11-23-2007, 11:44 PM

That cycle will shut you down pretty good,so i'd look into anthony roberts pct...

**Blitzed187** · 11-23-2007, 11:47 PM

what bout something like this?how does that pct cycle look? too long or should i go with the other one stated above

pct 3 days after last injection

2 weeks of 150mg/day clomid followed by
2 weeks of 50mg/day clomid followed by
2 weeks of 40mg/day nolvadex followed by
2 weeks of 20mg/day nolvadex

**topnotch** · 11-23-2007, 11:50 PM

i'd get some aromasin and put it in there at least
...

**Amorphic** · 11-24-2007, 12:11 AM

honestly i think if you have a 36" waist at 5'10 you should hold off doing another cycle until you get your bodyfat down closer to the 10-12% range. with a 36" waist you must be closer to 20%

**Blitzed187** · 11-24-2007, 12:15 AM

i wont be starting this cycle for at least another 4 months, so i got some time to do some cardio, since ive been on this test and deca cycle i havent done 1 min of cardio. all just heavy weight training