1st cycle ever

[Skinnyfuc]

sup everyone, i'm new to roids, but i have a connect to get testosterone enanthate i was wondering if anybody new what a good first cycle would be the dude i'm getting from told me 1cc once a week for 10 weeks but i've heard from other people thats its best to start off really low and peak at a high dosage and then wing my self off... anyways I'm 5"11...135 lbs...and i'm 19 years old and my goal is to reach 165lbs so i wondering if anyone can give me some good advice.

thanks. and its gonna be a testosterone enanthate cycle only

i'm 19 y/o...5"11...135lbs...and 165lbs is my goal.

[shifty_git]

I know exactly what ya ganna get told fella....

19 is to young to start aas...

135lb at 5`11 is way to light to start - Sort out diet and train harder.

Whats ya lifting experience?

[Big]

I hope this is serious and not a joke. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're serious but misguided. You need to learn to eat. I know, you're a hard gainer, we've heard it a thousand times. There are no hard gainers, just bad dieters. Head to the diet forum and read up on true bulking diets, I'm willing to bet you are way off.

[SNUKA]

Welcome to the board. I can tell you the general feedback you will get from this thread:
1. your too young at 19 your test levels are through the rood

2. 135lbs is insanely small for 5' 11" you can get to 165 naturally no problem.

3. your diet is probably way off if you are not gaining weight( protein, carbs, sources,
calories, meal timing etc..)

4. you probably havent been training long enough or effectively

5. test e should be injected every 3 days so (mon and thurs) split dose

6. do you know what a pct is? This is the most important part of the cycle.

7. you dont just shoot roids and get big, it takes dedication, knowledge of nutrition, exercise, and compounds before you even start to take them.

8. post your diet and training and many people will help you adjust it to start making serious gains in no time. I would stick to just trying to bulk up for atleast the next 2 years before even considering getting on gear. In the mean time do some research on compounds, pct protocol, diet and training routines.

[passthetest]

snuka hit it on the head...it would be really unwise to do a cycle right now

[Maxxjohns]

I am 5'10 at 165, and I thought I was skinny, so I am trying to imagine 135 at 5'11...

If its any help, I was a hard gainer, until I started gaining, and now If i dont watch what I eat I can get a "stomach" easy..

Than again, I am 25.... and that was back when I was 18.. Which, i just considered gear 2 weeks ago....

[basshead69]

you need to eat right bro and if you were to run a cycle you need enough knowledge to know how to cycle you dont start low then go high that fukin retarded. And 1cc is not enough you need to be running 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks with proper pct. But imo your to young and to light to be running aas you need to go to the diet forum and read up on a good bulking diet and use whey protein and you will gain weight your looking for. Welcome to AR

[Amorphic]

go to the diet forum.

you need foodabol, testafood, foodobolin. not steroids .

at that weight you are either seriously malnourished or have the fastest metabolism on the face of the planet.

you need a proper diet, steroids are not magic and you are way way way far off from your genetic potential, end of story

[JSola]

i always feel bad when we smash some poor guys dreams of getting huge in no time flat

[Phalocke]

Hold off on the cycle and eat. Don't forget to eat and get your training in check. One more thing, eat.

[Amorphic]

i always feel bad when we smash some poor guys dreams of getting huge in no time flat

i dont, im tired of people looking for the easy solution, there needs to be more respect for natural training among noobs these days

[shifty_git]

i dont, im tired of people looking for the easy solution, there needs to be more respect for natural training among noobs these days

agreed.

aas are not magic beans.. seems the media's effort of trying to make ass an evil substance has in a way back fired, and infact brought them into the limelight. so more average lads see them as bad cause there an easy illigal option, and lads love being 'badboys'

after all, when they show steroids on tv, they always show huge guys... n what guy doesnt wanna look huge, ripped and attractive / something special...

and its the medias image that guys on steroid pick up a peice of paper and they have muscles like arnie, just cause there on steroids.
but they never put across the hard work put in at the gym, the conviction of eating the correct diet constantly, and the will to better ones self....

blame the media for the poor effort to get ratings that have glorified steroids...

[jch3131]

Trust me man, go all natural. The gear will mess with your head too much and more important your body at such a young age

[feanixco]

Wait...gain more weight. I had that problem when I was younger. I am 5'6" and went from 125 ish to 163 now. I wont happen overnight and probably take much longer than you want but its worth it. Eat, eat, eat. Train, train, train.

[Skinnyfuc]

okay well, i thank everyone for their advice even if its harsh but i hold no hard feelings thats why i posted..... i guess the guy that selling it to me just wants the money... lol but yeah i've trained hard i went to ballys fitness on the weight gain program and i got up to about 143 and lost it pretty quick cause i stop going cause of work and stuff anywho i eat like crazy and i do have a fast metabolism maybe i dont eat at the right times or i dont eat enough but for a time i was counting my calories and a normal day was about 2400 calories and when i was on the weight gain program i was up to about 3800 with the help of weight gainer 2200 but thanx for the advice again and i'll read up on the diet forum that i did not know about until now but if anyone has advice about a dieting plan it will be a great help and i dont understand the abriviations as "PCT" or "AAS" but i will look and find out what they mean and i dont really have a lifting exp. just what i have from ballys for about 5 months





but a quick stupid question....lets say i train hard and eat right according to the diet forums how long do you think it will take me to get up to my desired weight?

[Amorphic]

135 to 165 could be attained in a year of bulking

[longhorn814]

read

UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

[SMCengineer]

i guess the guy that selling it to me just wants the money... lol

He does and it's good that you realize that.

i got up to about 143 and lost it pretty quick cause i stop going cause of work and stuff

That's one of your problems. If your not consistant what do expect to gain? Consistancy is key.

i eat like crazy

Eating like crazy is different than always eating like crazy. You have to come up with a structured diet plan (ie 6-7 meals a day) and follow that until you reach your goal, but your not done once you reach your goal. Now you have to maintain that weight and if you plan to put on more weight than you'll have to adjust your diet accordingly.

i dont understand the abriviations as "PCT" or "AAS" but i will look and find out what they mean and i dont really have a lifting exp.

PCT and AAS stand for Post Cycle Therapy and Anabolic -Androgenic Steroids , respectively. You'll learn all of this with time and research. As for lifting, you'll need to start following a structured lifting routine as well. My advice would be to keep the volume low and the weight high and focus on compound lifts. Deadlifts, rack deadlifts, squats, and bench all will put on a ton of weight. A journal will help you keep track of lifts and also motivate you to beat every lift from previous weeks, which is key in progressing in the gym.

[reconforce4]

ur too young bro. at least wait till ur 21 and you gain a another 10 lbs. good luck.

[Skinnyfuc]

Thanx everybody!! so no steroids for me jut "testafood", "foodabolin" and "foodabol" lol anyways i'm doing some research and planning so after i start gaining a lil weight maybe i'll post a progress journal thanx again peace out

[kynetguy]

Thanx everybody!! so no steroids for me jut "testafood", "foodabolin" and "foodabol" lol anyways i'm doing some research and planning so after i start gaining a lil weight maybe i'll post a progress journal thanx again peace out

And remember, if you cant get huge, dont feel bad, Some people never can and never will.

You can always go the marathon route and become a running machine. . .somethign I will never be able to do.

[admirals56]

ur too young bro. at least wait till ur 21 and you gain a another 10 lbs. good luck.

thats rediculous i gained 40 pounds of muscle in 9 months natrualy without a strict diet just lots of chicken and whey protien. stay in there kid since your young and cant cook just go to your local supplement shop and buy a weight gainer and drink it morning and night and eat alot of rice beef chicken bread and youl be fine i bet if you do that you could put on an easy 40 pounds in a year

[jAcKeD!!!!]

hmmmmm 40lbs of muscle with no aas in 9 months ?

[Kale]

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[admirals56]

ya i was 15 grearest achievment of my life i believe.. i started at 186.5 in august and was 225 in june so sorry 10 months

[jAcKeD!!!!]

puttin 40lbs on doesnt mean its all muscle tho.
also that 40lbs you put on is impossible to be all muscle

[admirals56]

you might be right but i started at 14% bf and dropped it to 12% im not arguing with you im young lol if i went down in bf and up in weight what does that mean

[Big]

how old are you?

[admirals56]

19 im just saying im young and im sure he has alot more expireience then me. plus that was my first year of true bals to the walls weightlifting and as the kid stated hes been working out for 5 months so just getting him phycd that my first year i gaind 40 pou8nds so maybe he can do the same

[crawdaddy]

19 im just saying im young and im sure he has alot more expireience then me. plus that was my first year of true bals to the walls weightlifting and as the kid stated hes been working out for 5 months so just getting him phycd that my first year i gaind 40 pou8nds so maybe he can do the same

perfect timing, growth spirt?? If it is true than your hella lucky and few and far between. Your encouragement to skinny is comendable,but the little dude needs realalistic advise.

[kynetguy]

thats rediculous i gained 40 pounds of muscle in 9 months natrualy without a strict diet just lots of chicken and whey protien. stay in there kid since your young and cant cook just go to your local supplement shop and buy a weight gainer and drink it morning and night and eat alot of rice beef chicken bread and youl be fine i bet if you do that you could put on an easy 40 pounds in a year

[KJSolid]

You said that you stopped working because work and other things came into play. What happens when you are on a cycle and work and other things come in the way. AAS are not a miracle drug and they dont just help you grow, you have to dedicate yourself to your diet and your training without that dedication, juicing is going to do nothing for you.

[green22]

BALLY'S lol!!!!!!

[rodgerj]

Jesus 135 Pounds? I would have to starve myself for a year to get anywhere near that. Eat some food man seriously. My woman weights more then that and she looks slim.

[thai007]

Yea I dont get it..... why does every young kid out there think that they just pop some steroids go to sleep an wake up 30 pounds heavier...I say if you are not willing to hit the gym like a animal an have the best diet in the world. THEN DONT EVER TAKE AAS!

[admirals56]

umm and oh ya sorry about the error about 40 pounds it was 30 pounds i looked in my notebook and i was 218

[legobricks]

umm and oh ya sorry about the error about 40 pounds it was 30 pounds i looked in my notebook and i was 218

15 years old, started hitting the weights like crazy along with eating consistanly for a year and gained 30lbs? Dropped bodyfat 2% as well? Honestly Ill believe it. I started lifting hard when I turned 19 and i gained 40lbs. went from 141 to 181 lbs in 1 year. Ate everything in site and lifted my ass off. Hahaha I gained quite a bit of fat becuase I kept that up and my weight stayed the same for about a year. Did a cycle of test only at 20 and my weight still stayed the same but I dropped hella bodyfat and my body transformed (looked a lot bigger but still weighed the same) So at his age I could believe it due to possibly hittin it at the right time during a growth spurt. Anyways, back to the thread, it is possible to gain 30-40lbs and look good. A Lot of it will be bodyfat but keep up the weight training and bulking, throw a bit of cardio in there and youll shape up in no time. At your weight and inexperience in lifting hitting it hard and being dedicated to the sport will have you growing a lot! Good luck bro, and thanx for listening to our advice!