Bulking and bloating

**Iron man 22** · 01-05-2008, 12:44 PM

I'm currently on a bulking cycle and am taking test cypionate (2ml every 5 days) and nandralone (1ml every 5 days). I am 6'1, 220 pounds and this is my second cycle. I started off with Masterbol (2ml every 5 days) and Sustenon (1ml every 5 days) for the first five weeks and have been using the current one for the last 5. While I have gained about 16 pounds I have also got bloating - is this due to the particular cycle I am using and what is the best thing to take to alleviate it? Also, while I have gained alot more power when lifting weights I am struggling to make the same kind of gains with my biceps. Someone suggested injecting into the bicep would have the desired effect - is this a good idea or is it better to stick to my glutes?

**Kratos** · 01-05-2008, 01:06 PM

So you started deca 5 weeks in?
Are you taking an AI?
Injecting in bicep will only make it sore for your next workout, no site growth.
16 pounds with a lot of bloat not too good at week 10, you eating?
What is your total plan for the cycle, when you ending?
Post cycle?

**soccer#3** · 01-05-2008, 01:08 PM

u'll always see some bloat when runnin test. l-dex can be used to lessen the bloat. injectin the biceps is a lil hardcore imo. i dont think they'll grow just because u choose to inject them. someone correct me if im wrong

**passthetest** · 01-05-2008, 01:12 PM

site injections with any of the above substances will not promote any growth to the area injected.. im not really sure who designed the above cycle but as stated before me get some liquidex

**play804** · 01-05-2008, 09:59 PM

if your supposed to take .5mgs daily of l-dex but it comes in 30ml per 1mg doses then how much are you supposed to take in the liquid form of arimidex i am currently taking half a mg which equals 15ml per serving is that correct???

**shifty_git** · 01-05-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by play804

if your supposed to take .5mgs daily of l-dex but it comes in 30ml per 1mg doses then how much are you supposed to take in the liquid form of arimidex i am currently taking half a mg which equals 15ml per serving is that correct???

your kidding aint ya? lol

doses, mg and ml are basics... surely something u shud understand before using something like aas?!?!?!

ml is a liquid measure, mg is compound in the liquid dosage!

30ml @ 1mg per ml

so 0.5ml of liquid = 0.5mg of product!

**The Deuce** · 01-05-2008, 11:56 PM

Ahh Basic Mathematics and conversions... i guess it's better left to the extremely gifted...

**Samson4** · 01-06-2008, 12:02 AM

How are you training your biceps?

**Iron man 22** · 01-06-2008, 06:30 AM

The bloating isn't massive, but I was told to expect it when taking test. however up until now I haven't taken anything to combat water retention or the effects of estrogen. I have just got Arimidex so hopefully this should work.
In terms of diet, i eat 5 meals a day, usually consisting of protein shake + eggs(breakfast) , protein bar(mid morning snack) chiken/tuna pasta, yogurt(lunch), protein bar( mid afternoon), protein shake(post workout), chicken/fish with rice, muffin(dinner).
Bicep training usually consists of preacher curls, standing barbell curls, incline dumbell curls and Hammer curls. I am probably expecting too much too soon and have started doing supersets along with my tri's just to change my routine.
I am planning to stick with the test for another 5 weeks after which I was told to come off completely for 2 weeks and then go onto a cutting cycle. My aim is to reach 240lbs of solid muscle. Does this sound like the correct method or am I completely off track?

**Iron man 22** · 01-06-2008, 06:34 AM

I have also been taking Deca alongside Test for the last 5 weeks.

**dupa95** · 01-06-2008, 08:19 AM

estrogen and test work in harmony for max gains. Bloat is for high estrogen levels, do to high test levels. Swating the estrogen level down will swat your gains down. Unless you are starting gyno signs then is time to drop estrogen levels down. So the blaot is all part of the game. More water in = more water out.

**Iron man 22** · 01-06-2008, 09:59 AM

I don't have any gyno signs yet - so just hold off on the liquidex until this happens? Also, is Deca the best thing to be taking alongside test cypionate , and is it enough to inject both once every 5 days?

**duramaxedge** · 01-06-2008, 10:46 AM

Why are you shooting every 5 days?? You need to be shooting cyp and deca every 3 days..

educate before you medicate ..

**duramaxedge** · 01-06-2008, 10:49 AM

Whats the strength on your deca ? 200mg /mL?? If so your not taking enough deca, and definately not taking it correctly.. Is your cyp 250mg/mL ? If so your taking 2 mL which is 500mg a week which is ok.. Just need to be using it every 3 days..

Should look like this..
Monday - 1ml of Test Cyp/1ml of Deca (same syringe)
Thursday - 1ml of Test cyp/1ml of Deca (same syringe)

**Lift Chief** · 01-06-2008, 01:53 PM

Site injections won't give you any extra growth in the area you inject... just hurts in the bi

**Iron man 22** · 01-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Great, thanks for the advice. But given the fact I have been taking it for nearly 5 weeks at the previous dose, would it be worth extending the cycle so I get the full benefit? Also, is there anything I could add to this stack to make it better? - I was looking at novice cycles and it also suggests using Dbol ?

**duramaxedge** · 01-06-2008, 05:23 PM

Dbol is a nice starter for Long ester cycles to get something going for the first 4 weeks when nothing is going on.. I dont think it would be the worst Idea running a DHT at the end of your cycle for 4 weeks? You can start 2 weeks before the last test shot and run it up till PCT..

**play804** · 01-06-2008, 08:41 PM

it was always to my understanding that you should run more test in your cycle than deca i.e. 600mgs test weekly and 500mgs deca but always make sure to run a little more test than deca and no i wouldnt extend your cycle out to compensate for what you didnt do already but you can up your cycle now with no problems imo.

**play804** · 01-06-2008, 08:45 PM

thats not what i was asking i guess im not wording it correctly. what i was trying to figure out is if 15ml of l-dex equivilent in strength as 0.5mgs arimedex in the prescription pill form. there that sounds a lot better.............shifty git

**shifty_git** · 01-06-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by play804

thats not what i was asking i guess im not wording it correctly. what i was trying to figure out is if 15ml of l-dex equivilent in strength as 0.5mgs arimedex in the prescription pill form. there that sounds a lot better.............

your math is way off!

ml is liquid measure....

mg is compund measre....

if ya ldex is 1mg/ml - and your aiming for a 0.5mg dose, u want 0.5ml

like how (for instance) test enth - 250mg/ml - if u want 250mg, take 1ml - if u want 500mg, take 2ml etc

**play804** · 01-06-2008, 08:51 PM

i get the dosing what i was trying to figure out is if l-dex strength is comperable to arimedex prescription strength.

**shifty_git** · 01-06-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by play804

i get the dosing what i was trying to figure out is if l-dex strength is comperable to arimedex prescription strength.

yep it is - a mg is a mg.....

obviously you could go in2 how pure was the main powder used to make them, but normally that isnt relevent.

**Iron man 22** · 01-07-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by duramaxedge

Dbol is a nice starter for Long ester cycles to get something going for the first 4 weeks when nothing is going on.. I dont think it would be the worst Idea running a DHT at the end of your cycle for 4 weeks? You can start 2 weeks before the last test shot and run it up till PCT..

Duramaxedge - DHT isn't something iv'e got experience with - any suggestions???