clen

**sleazy leaz** · 01-12-2008, 03:01 AM

im definitely about to purchase some clen because ive read up on a lot of great and useful information. you guys have all told me clen does wonders, but diet is key i know but doesnt it seem that it would be used as a placebo? with proper diet and exercise you lose weight regardless.

**beenie** · 01-12-2008, 10:40 AM

I had some that i got balck from the chinese guy several years back and had some awesome results. Got some earlier this year in Mexico, pharmecutical no less, and it was incredibly expensive and not too helpful. Persoanlly I still get better results on ECA stacks.

That being said, mf bf% is about 8% at this point, so I only do this when I REALLY want to shread. When I was having better results when I was around 13% bf and was looking to get to 10%. I am not completely sure, but it might have something to do with the result variation.

Oh and you are right about body fat being linked to diet. Need to burn more calories than you take in.

Originally Posted by sleazy leaz

im definitely about to purchase some clen because ive read up on a lot of great and useful information. you guys have all told me clen does wonders, but diet is key i know but doesnt it seem that it would be used as a placebo? with proper diet and exercise you lose weight regardless.

**magic32** · 01-12-2008, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by sleazy leaz

im definitely about to purchase some clen because ive read up on a lot of great and useful information. you guys have all told me clen does wonders, but diet is key i know but doesnt it seem that it would be used as a placebo? with proper diet and exercise you lose weight regardless.

I don't understand your question. A placebo is something that does nothing, often a sugar pill, used as the controlled measure in studies and run opposite the independent variable. Please clarify.

**sleazy leaz** · 01-12-2008, 02:39 PM

what i meant by the placebo effect is that, why would you need a pill to help you lose weight when diet and cardio is key when youre doing clen ....couldnt you just do that without taking clen and get the same results?

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-12-2008, 02:46 PM

IMO clen should not be used simply to shed a few excess pounds. This can be easily achieved through diet and cardio (as you state). However drugs like clen come into play when you are cutting for a comp. To reach these extreme levels of fatloss the body must almost be forced to go below its healthy BF while retaining muscle. It is here that clen excells. When cutting for comp you plateau and reach a point where a further cut in cals would result in severe muscle loss. Clen (and other such compounds) can help get you past this point.

**ecto9** · 01-12-2008, 02:49 PM

I've used clen . The idea behind it is to speed up your metabolism and raise your body temp slightly higher, so you burn more calories. It's also known for being somewhat anti-catabolic. I've used it during pct also.

**magic32** · 01-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by sleazy leaz

what i meant by the placebo effect is that, why would you need a pill to help you lose weight when diet and cardio is key when youre doing clen....couldnt you just do that without taking clen and get the same results?

Of course, and Beast just outlined it perfectly above.

However, many people still employ Clen to aid in the this endeavor, thus augmenting success. And sadly, many others just take these types of substances w/o any diet & exercise efforts, and still benefit slightly. But the lazy will always be with us...such is life!

**sleazy leaz** · 01-12-2008, 07:07 PM

yeah i understand...who would buy clen and just sit on their asses and do nothing, waste of money....im definitely going to be doing proper diet and cardio while working out of course, so i should see pretty good results then?

**juicenchris2989** · 01-12-2008, 08:10 PM

i kno some one that bought some clen and all they do is maybe play some basketball at the park every now and then his a good friend but lazy as hell still had a lil benefit from it but obviously would have gotten alot alot alot better results if he ate better and did some cardio you are gonna like the effect goodluck keep us posted on your results always good to see how ppl benefit differently

**BlaZinWR08** · 01-12-2008, 08:14 PM

what doseage is recommended for clen ? im thinking about purchasing some.

**sleazy leaz** · 01-13-2008, 03:12 AM

thanks chris...ill def keep you guys posted, i workout pretty good and im going to diet differently and do cardio, so i should see good results hope so at least. thanks for the insight

**Iron_Man666** · 01-13-2008, 06:53 AM

I was on Clen for about 2 months, but my goal wasn't for a competition. It was to aid in shedding weight along with diet, weight training, and cardio... and let me tell you.. I lost 40 LBS on 1 month. I went from 282 to 242 quickly, but this pill IS NOT a magic pill. You can't just take a pill and watch fat shredd, its impossible. So, I used it along with HEAVY training and lost weight.

BUT BUT BUT BUT, You have to be careful, because when you up the dosage you can KILL YOURSELF!! My heart started skipping beats after 4 pills a day, so i quit taking it. I may start back, but if anyone decides to take it I suggest taking 1 pill a day and thats it. Also You have to take Taurine, because if you don't your Liver will get messed up and you will get muscle cramps like hell.

**sleazy leaz** · 01-13-2008, 01:25 PM

i see...i weigh like 237 right now, id like to get down to 210 or 215, if you lost 40 pounds on it then it shouldnt be a problem to get down to where i wanna get down right

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-13-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Iron_Man666

I was on Clen for about 2 months, but my goal wasn't for a competition. It was to aid in shedding weight along with diet, weight training, and cardio... and let me tell you.. I lost 40 LBS on 1 month. I went from 282 to 242 quickly, but this pill IS NOT a magic pill. You can't just take a pill and watch fat shredd, its impossible. So, I used it along with HEAVY training and lost weight.

BUT BUT BUT BUT, You have to be careful, because when you up the dosage you can KILL YOURSELF!! My heart started skipping beats after 4 pills a day, so i quit taking it. I may start back, but if anyone decides to take it I suggest taking 1 pill a day and thats it. Also You have to take Taurine, because if you don't your Liver will get messed up and you will get muscle cramps like hell.

The second part of this post is IMO incorrect and is not based on scientific fact. There are many studies on clen. 4 pills will not immediately kill you unless you have underlying heart issues already and one pill would be totally inneffective in most cases. Clen will not mess up your liver although taurine can be a good idea for other reasons (it may help with long term heart health when running clen as clen has been linked to heart cell death)

**sleazy leaz** · 01-13-2008, 06:59 PM

thats cool...i appreciate the info, im looking forward to taking the clen so i can cut down weight

**Iron_Man666** · 01-13-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

The second part of this post is IMO incorrect and is not based on scientific fact. There are many studies on clen. 4 pills will not immediately kill you unless you have underlying heart issues already and one pill would be totally inneffective in most cases. Clen will not mess up your liver although taurine can be a good idea for other reasons (it may help with long term heart health when running clen as clen has been linked to heart cell death)

I read your little Clen Walkthrough and I followed it to the letter and I saw amazing results, but I guess I wasn't using enough Taurine because when i upped the dosage on Clen it affected my Heart.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-14-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Iron_Man666

I read your little Clen Walkthrough and I followed it to the letter and I saw amazing results, but I guess I wasn't using enough Taurine because when i upped the dosage on Clen it affected my Heart.

Was this verified by a doctor or simply your own opinion. Clen is a stim and will make the heart beat faster or harder sometimes. This does not mean it is doing damage to the heart. Heart health is more likely to be affected with very large or very prolonged use.

**Iron_Man666** · 01-14-2008, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Was this verified by a doctor or simply your own opinion. Clen is a stim and will make the heart beat faster or harder sometimes. This does not mean it is doing damage to the heart. Heart health is more likely to be affected with very large or very prolonged use.

It was my own opinion, but I don't need a damn doctor to tell me what is wrong with me, when I can feel whats happening in my own body.

**magic32** · 01-14-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

The second part of this post is IMO incorrect and is not based on scientific fact. There are many studies on clen. 4 pills will not immediately kill you unless you have underlying heart issues already and one pill would be totally inneffective in most cases. Clen will not mess up your liver although taurine can be a good idea for other reasons (it may help with long term heart health when running clen as clen has been linked to heart cell death)

^^^COMPLETELY AGREED!

Originally Posted by Iron_Man666

BUT BUT BUT BUT, You have to be careful, because when you up the dosage you can KILL YOURSELF!! My heart started skipping beats after 4 pills a day, so i quit taking it. I may start back, but if anyone decides to take it I suggest taking 1 pill a day and thats it. Also You have to take Taurine, because if you don't your Liver will get messed up and you will get muscle cramps like hell.

Speculative fear-driven/provoking conjecture!
Obviously arrhythmias are undesirable abnormalities that should be checked out asap if the source isn't readily discernable as it was here, but they are USUALLY harmless, easily corrected, and experienced by many. So no you weren't dying (although you may have special sensitivities), and it takes far more Clen then 80mcgs (assuming your 4 tabs were 20's), to do ANY harm to the adult human heart, much less cardiac necrosis or apoptosis. If you don't believe either of us perform some independent research on Clen's heart effects.

As for the above condition, here's some good info, for those who are inclined:
http://mayoclinic.com/health/heart-arrhythmias/DS00290