Unfortunate first post

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 04:20 PM

This site along with bolex has been my place of study and education of aas for over a year now. Never posted cause almost all of my questions were answered with the search function.

I decided for a first cycle that I would run solo Test Enanthate at 250mg every fifth day. Felt mentally/physically ready to start my first cycle. Did my first injection last Monday in my right quad. The next day it was a little charlie horse sore but not unbearable, but the next three days I was limping and could barely walk. Thursday and Friday night I was having hot/cold chills while trying to sleep, felt nausous and flu like and I was going to attribute this to test flu until I noticed my quad becoming more and more red and warm to the touch, checked my fever which was 100 last night (Friday) so I went to the emergency room ths morning. I was going to be honest about the injection but last minute uttered out "B-12 injection". Turns out I have a cellulitis infection which makes me very glad I went in when I did. They gave me an IM antiobiotic shot of what i'd like to say she said was Afrin, although I could be mistaken cause I'm pretty sure that's a nasal spray, but she also gave me a ten day scrip to Cephalexin.

Sorry for such a long story for a short question, but since the only injection i've done was last monday at 250 mg (today was supposed to be my second). Should i still run a mini pct in a week from now or let my hormones fluctuate back to normality on their own? I can't really rationalize continuing my cycle at the moment. I knew infections were something I had to take into consideration but I know these infections are nothing to **** with, so my cycle for now will be over. Just want to know if I should still use some pct for such a low dose or not?

Thanks for reading and any advice is appreciated.

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Just to add I was using a 23g 1" needle, I have very low bodyfat on my legs. Injected freshly out of the shower, wiped down site with alcohol swab, changed needles after withdrawing from amp, injected, aspirtated, injected slowly, wiped site down again and massaged for a minute. Thought I had taken every precaution.

**Dizz28** · 01-12-2008, 04:35 PM

the "aftrin" he was referring to was "rocephin" (either that or cephalexin) a very broad antibiotic used for many sever infections depending on the dose. Did it hurt? Some doc'z mix 1% lidocaine with the NACL to help with the pain though. Works extreamely well at most bactreial infections

Is it a UGL test you are using?

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 04:50 PM

The shot she gave me actually hurt like a b**** and for about five minutes afterwards too. The gear I used was from a sponsored and well liked overseas site over on another board. I'm assuming even with the precautions, I still must have gotten some bacteria on the needle prior to injection, although I don't know how. I'm still limping like it's nobodys business too.

**solar06** · 01-12-2008, 04:58 PM

sorry to hear about your luck bro. sounds like dirty gear. ive been to the ER prob 3 or 4 times with symptoms like that. hope u feel better soon. look into filtering the gear IF u want to continue using it (whatman filter). no need to do pct for just that one shot though.

**Deuce9595** · 01-12-2008, 05:01 PM

Well it's possible that there is bacteria in the vial because it sounds like your procedure was very safe, but I believe it was most likely due to the area of the quad itself. I don't like quad injections because they always hurt. I just stick to the glutes and delts. I was talking with a guy recently who was having no problems with his cycle until he tried shooting into his quad with the same vial of stuff he'd been using all along, and then he got a big warm, red infection just as you described (then again he is using test prop which is known to be painful). If I were you I would try and determine the probability of your gear being contaminated, and then attempt to continue the cycle, just avoid the legs. But just remember that's just me and I'm not your doctor.

If your mind is already made up then you really don't need to even bother with PCT, not after just one shot. But you can if you wish just to feel safe, it won't hurt you.

**The Deuce** · 01-12-2008, 05:03 PM

Dude I was hospitalized with cellulitis last year in March from a non-sterile injection they said. I know your pain... it sucks!! They meaning them at the hospital told me that I could have gotten the proposed bacteria on my needle before injecting .... FROM THE AIR !! Can you believe that.. and these are doctors saying this. Now I may be wrong but there is no way that a staph infection can be hanging out in the air ... see a needle and go,"Yah that's definitely my ticket in to kill that mo-fo!!" I still think I messed up somewhere in the injection process cuz I thought for certain I did everything right.. regardless.. what they told me could very well be true. I could have gotten it on my needle from the air... how highly unlikely this sounds to me but hey ya never know. (I had the Gear Tested and no signs of any sort of bacteria was in it) Sounds like you did the right thing though researching and such for a year and you are 100% correct in the fact that this stinks that this is what your first posts has to be about. But hey man... get better ... Welcome and when you are ready to give it a try again.. you know you can ask us all here the questions you need to be successful.

Oh IMO you do not need to run any sort of PCT. But I am sure some people will say other wise...

**The Deuce** · 01-12-2008, 05:05 PM

WHOA WHOA WHOA.... Another Deuce....

and his first post was made whilst I was writing that post...

this is a bit odd...

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 05:07 PM

Well, getting the gear out of the amp with a 23G syringe takes me a couple minutes and is frustrating, possibly having the amp opened that long was enough time for bacteria to get into it? It's hard for me to imagine getting dirty gear from the supplier i got it from. Can I post the lab name that's on the amp? Or that a big no no as well? It's frustrating, I really wanted to run this cycle, spent several months getting myself ready for it but I think i'm going to hold off for now.

I definitely appreciate the quick feedback from you guys.

**meathead320** · 01-12-2008, 05:07 PM

This board ain't big enough for two Deuce'es.

**The Deuce** · 01-12-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by meathead320

This board ain't big enough for two Deuce'es.

And that's why ... I am THE DEUCE... meaning the only true and real one

**Atomini** · 01-12-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlife06

Well, getting the gear out of the amp with a 23G syringe takes me a couple minutes and is frustrating, possibly having the amp opened that long was enough time for bacteria to get into it? It's hard for me to imagine getting dirty gear from the supplier i got it from. Can I post the lab name that's on the amp? Or that a big no no as well? It's frustrating, I really wanted to run this cycle, spent several months getting myself ready for it but I think i'm going to hold off for now.

I definitely appreciate the quick feedback from you guys.

Nope, that has to be wrong. I've drawn with a 25 gauge 1 inch before, and it took eons to draw from it. I switched pins after drawing, injected, and I never ever got any infections. It must have been something you did... either rubbed the pin on something and not noticed it or something of that sort.

I don't see how you can get bacteria just latch onto the pin from the air. I suspect it is possible, but highly unlikely. Make sure that you do not remove the cap from the needle until you need to draw or inject. Otherwise, LEAVE THE CAP ON AT ALL TIMES.

Whereabouts were you injecting (like what room or environment were you in)?

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 06:13 PM

In my bedroom, which is a clean environment. My needle cap was off for a little longer then necessary though cause I kind of hovered over my leg for a bit, first injection anxiety. Didn't even come close to touching anything though. So unless it was air, like the previous poster said, I don't know what else it could of been. But it did happen, unfortunately.

**tedeez** · 01-12-2008, 07:03 PM

Hey that suck bro. My wife is a nurse and she does my injections so i have had no problems, but she will take the vial and put it in her hand for a few to warm it up, helps with drawing it in the needle faster, but you can get airbourne bacteria like getting a cold, you just need to be fast and very careful not to touch the needle on anything or keep the cap off and dont be afraid to tell the doctor what you did, you cant get in trouble.

**dupa95** · 01-12-2008, 07:09 PM

So the doc can't get your heath care plan canceled or any thing likr that???????

**tedeez** · 01-12-2008, 07:43 PM

no its like when you od on coke or other substances, you can get in trouble for having it in your system and its called doctor patient rights

**Kale** · 01-12-2008, 07:51 PM

sounds like dirty gear to me. I have injected literally hundreds of times. I even move my gear from amps into sterile vials and then inject later and I never swab, I just draw, change pins and inject. I would put both testicles on it that your gear is bad.

**passthetest** · 01-12-2008, 07:52 PM

is ur gear from mexico?

**thehighlife06** · 01-12-2008, 09:04 PM

Like I said, i'd be happy to post the name of the lab that's on the amps if it's allowed, or pm somebody that might be interested to know. If it was infact bad gear, that's a bummer, cause i've only read good things about them and they had great service.

**meathead320** · 01-12-2008, 09:51 PM

1. my first guess is bad gear.

2. would be that you may have gotten something on the needle when trying to draw in test through a 23 gauge needle.

I use an 18 gauge to draw, then switch to a smaller needle to inject too.

I have everything ready, so that as soon as I take the cap off of the needle, I can inject without having to monkey around.

**Deuce9595** · 01-12-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Deuce

And that's why ... I am THE DEUCE... meaning the only true and real one

WTF??? I've had this handle since the late 90's and have never seen another Deuce. Don't worry you probably won't see me around here too much, I was just getting bored at my other boards and decided to stop by for a minute. Well I guess you were here first but I'd better never see you around at any of the other places I frequent or there's gonna be trouble........(just kidding)

**MaGiCJNG** · 01-13-2008, 12:33 AM

thehighlife, send me a pm of the lab. I'm curious to know.

Hope everything turns out alright that sucks bro.

**thehighlife06** · 01-13-2008, 12:47 AM

I'd love to but as ridiculous as it sounds, I'm not exactly sure how to send a pm, I just got used to the lingo. When I click your name there's no "send private message" option.

**Amorphic** · 01-13-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by thehighlife06

I'd love to but as ridiculous as it sounds, I'm not exactly sure how to send a pm, I just got used to the lingo. When I click your name there's no "send private message" option.

you need 25 posts to PM

**Dizz28** · 01-13-2008, 02:07 AM

This thread is Rtarded in so many ways,,,,

Open the amp long enough to get bacteria in it??

LOL LOL LOL L....O freakin L

**thehighlife06** · 01-13-2008, 02:34 AM

well dizz28, i apologize for the rtardedness... i do however appreciate the feedback

**The Deuce** · 01-13-2008, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Deuce9595

WTF??? I've had this handle since the late 90's and have never seen another Deuce. Don't worry you probably won't see me around here too much, I was just getting bored at my other boards and decided to stop by for a minute. Well I guess you were here first but I'd better never see you around at any of the other places I frequent or there's gonna be trouble........(just kidding)

Hhahahaha I was only messing with ya anyways dude... hahaha nah I don't use any other board besides this one so.. yep.. we can all

**tedeez** · 01-13-2008, 11:21 AM

Yeah its retarted that there are billions of bacteria on everything, and that so much as cou***ng or your heater coming on and moving the air around can cause airbourne bacteria, you'll just have to do everything as fast as possible, but your gear could be contaminated, the only way to tell is to give yourself another injection, or have your gear tested, and seeing how you have antibiotics, you should be able to do another injection and see what happens, or just get rid of your gear and get some more.

**Deuce9595** · 01-13-2008, 11:43 AM

I highly doubt this had anything to do with any airborn bacteria contaminating the needle. I'm willing to bet you would have had no propblems if you shot it into your glute or delt. Quads are not for everyone, including myself.

The only reason I'm not going to try and encourage you to try again is that I wouldn't want the guilt hanging over my head of feeling partially responsible incase something else goes wrong. But if it was me, that's what I would do. You just need to make your own decission about what you're going to do with the rest of that stuff.

--the "OTHER" Deuce

**The Deuce** · 01-13-2008, 12:43 PM

Deuce9595 has a great point... Quads are a lil bit ridiculous sometimes when it comes to the pain and I feel as though they don't take to AAS as well as my glutes and delts do... I will have to hitting them though during my next cycle considering I am using Prop and I don't wanna overuse my glutes or delts and build up scar tissue... although I probably already got some going on.. but whatev....

If you are still on an antibiotic and you don't want to waste your stuff you could always just give it a try in your glute... I would anyways but like Deuce9595 said I don't wanna feel guilty for givin you advice that could lead to another infection... this is where it is totally up to you.

I guess all in all I would just get rid of it. Find a more reliable source and start all over my man.

**Dizz28** · 01-13-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by thehighlife06

well dizz28, i apologize for the rtardedness... i do however appreciate the feedback

Sorry man, ruff day yesterday... My appologies

**thehighlife06** · 01-13-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

Sorry man, ruff day yesterday... My oppologies

no problem bro, i tend to turn into a smartass when my day spirals down too. it's all good.

**thehighlife06** · 01-13-2008, 01:23 PM

I think I'm gonna cut my losses here, take the antibiotics, heal up and try another source in a couple months. Whether it was bacteria or dirty gear I think it's my safest choice. Thanks for all the input fellas, glad I decided to post my situation.

**Kale** · 01-14-2008, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by thehighlife06

I think I'm gonna cut my losses here, take the antibiotics, heal up and try another source in a couple months. Whether it was bacteria or dirty gear I think it's my safest choice. Thanks for all the input fellas, glad I decided to post my situation.

Very smart move IMO !!!!