personal opinion on deca

[impulse420]

just wondering peoples opinion on deca with the side effects

[roadapple]

I like it. Its like EQ with a little more mass and more water retention, and now that mexican veterinarians are done, deca is easier to get. Very little side effects. I don't get acne like on test alone. Run it with test, at leats 100mgs/wk, since deca aromatizes to progesterone to avoid deca dick. Ue 200mgs week deca minimum. I'd go for more like 400mg deca, 250-500 test e or sus and either winny or dbol depending....

[djcj2002]

Depends on what you want to get out of it. Personally, I stay away from it just b/c I like a leaner look and tend to hold LOTS of water on deca . Definitely get size gains, just not the look i want.

[shifty_git]

depends what its stacked with...

but id go for npp over deca anyday...

[taiboxa]

i hardly hold any water on deca , and it really cushions my joints.. by far one of my fav compounds

[roadapple]

depends what its stacked with...

but id go for npp over deca anyday...

sorry for my stupidity, what is npp?

[juicenchris2989]

I like it. Its like EQ with a little more mass and more water retention, and now that mexican veterinarians are done, deca is easier to get. Very little side effects. I don't get acne like on test alone. Run it with test, at leats 100mgs/wk, since deca aromatizes to progesterone to avoid deca dick. Ue 200mgs week deca minimum. I'd go for more like 400mg deca, 250-500 test e or sus and either winny or dbol depending....

deca and eq are not the same or similar let me put it in easy terms deca will give you more mass and eq will give you more vascular look eq is a fairly mild aas

[juicenchris2989]

sorry for my stupidity, what is npp?

npp is basicly deca with a short easter

[taiboxa]

im sorry but stating deca and eq are similiar is like saying, my red rider bb gun is just like my shot gun but it doesnt cause as much bloat..

deca and eq are NOT WHERE NEAR the same compound, and anyone who makes such a claim has massive amounts of reading/research ahead of them.

[juicenchris2989]

excatly ^^^

[shifty_git]

sorry for my stupidity, what is npp?

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

[impulse420]

say you were to stack dbol deca and test e on a 10 week cycle, dbol for 4 weeks and the rest for the remainder, and pushed cardio all the time on the cycle and ate a lean diet would you guys think it would produce a semi vascualr look?

[juicenchris2989]

run the test 2wks longer than the deca and it all depends on how your diet and how hard you train

[FREAK]

The side effects of abusing deca -durabolin include but are not limited to bladder contractions, painful erection, enlarged breasts in men, breast tenderness, masculinization and acne.

[impulse420]

yeha because im pretty lean as it is just looking to fill in some bigger shirts but i want to keep my leaness

[dockery14]

Aight im 5'10 and 165lbs. I have been working out for 4 years. I diet well i just cant gain size and strength. I talked to a friend and i told him i wanted to gain about 30 or 40 pounds and be fairly cut. HE said my best bet would be Trenbolone acetate

[juicenchris2989]

wtf did you just try to do a thread hijack

[roadapple]

im sorry but stating deca and eq are similiar is like saying, my red rider bb gun is just like my shot gun but it doesnt cause as much bloat..

deca and eq are NOT WHERE NEAR the same compound, and anyone who makes such a claim has massive amounts of reading/research ahead of them.

Im sorry for trying to simplify mt response in terms someone with less experience would understand. No i dont need massive amounts of reading. I have been at this for years. I dont have hundreds of posts but that doesnt mean i dont know shit.

Allow me to please clarify my earlier statement: Deca and eq are similar in their mild androgenic and moderate to high anabolic properties. Sure they aromitize differently. Deca into progesterone, dont take with finasteride, more mass builder, etc while eq is known for hardness and vascularity/hunger, lean gains aromitizes poorly does not have high affinity for AR etc.

But if i had two guys, 1 on eq only and 1 on deca only, I gauranteee 99% of juicers wouldn't be able to tell which is on what.

[roadapple]

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

Thanks. I realized this almost immediately after i posted.

[roadapple]

deca and eq are NOT WHERE NEAR the same compound....

I never made such a claim.

[impulse420]

deaca and eq's effects are extremely clos ei take it so which one woul you recomend roadapple?

[Big]

Aight im 5'10 and 165lbs. I have been working out for 4 years. I diet well i just cant gain size and strength. I talked to a friend and i told him i wanted to gain about 30 or 40 pounds and be fairly cut. HE said my best bet would be Trenbolone acetate

1) start your own thread
2) learn how to eat
3) set realistic goals
4) read, then read some more (your friend is clueless if he suggested tren for you)

[roadapple]

deaca and eq's effects are extremely clos ei take it so which one woul you recomend roadapple?

Yeah dude I definitely prefer EQ if you can get it. 400 mgs/week minimum with a little test is great all around type cycle. Although I wouldn't refuse nandrolone either.

[impulse420]

i have a deca dbol test e cycle start dbol same time as deca and test e dbol for four weeks and deca for 9 weeks nolva start on week 6 through to two weeks afterwords

[roadapple]

sound good. good old fashoined bulk cycle. Test/deca /dbol . Hitting both receptors. Good work reading up. Although the nolva is really for the test. If you are running low dose test you can save it for later and run your PCT a little longer. Have you decided on dosages?

[impulse420]

im going to do 200mg deca with 250 mg test e then week 2 go up to 300mg deca with 250mg test e for 2 weeks then up the dosage to 400mg deca and 500mg test e for 2 weeks and then the same thing on the flip side to tapper off.

[Big]

pyramiding dosages went out years ago.

[impulse420]

does that mean they dont work, or not ment to do what its suppose to do or just went out of style

[impulse420]

mike hart inspired me for that stack

[mx3]

I love deca .

[roadapple]

pyramiding dosages went out years ago.

Agreed. I'm a beleiver in frontloading long-lasting esterified injectables in the first week or so then going straight through. I dont mind helping you construct one if you wanna post what total amount you want to use. For example, 400-600 mgs (or more) week 1 with 500 or o test, then for the net 8 or 9 weeks go to your 'normal doses' like 200 or 400 deca and 250 to 500 test e for remainder. Frontload that dbol too for the 1st 4-6 weeks.

[Big]

Agreed. I'm a beleiver in frontloading long-lasting esterified injectables in the first week or so then going straight through.

same here^

[impulse420]

i have 2400 mgs of deca 150 10mg tabs of dbol and 2500mg of test e and 50 20mg pills of nolva and 5 pills of clomid for the end

[soccer#3]

i dont mean to hijack but i think this ties in wit the thread and i dont think people who never have used deca would also like to know this. i've seen a lot of deca threads and this comes up all the time now.

how many of u experienced depression on deca?

[roadapple]

does that mean they dont work, or not ment to do what its suppose to do or just went out of style

It'll work, but what we're trying to do is maximize what we got and use it as effeciently as possible. Because of some of the long acting esterified juices, it's counterproductive to wait till the middle of your cycle to hit peak anabolism.

Frontloading allows us to get out steroid levels up to peak concentration and thus peak anabolism-in as short amount of time as possible, and keep them there at a steady highly anabolic concentration as possible.

[roadapple]

i dont mean to hijack but i think this ties in wit the thread and i dont think people who never have used deca would also like to know this. i've seen a lot of deca threads and this comes up all the time now.

how many of u experienced depression on deca?

Never during. Post cycle i get Post Cycle depression but that is with anything...

[impulse420]

what do you suggest

[roadapple]

Hmmm you could go something like a straight 10 weeker of:

weeks 1-10 240 mgs deca , 250 mgs test and 40 mgs dbol e/d for 4-6 weeks.

Or you could frontload that bitch. What I'd do is either double dose on both injectables 1st week then straight shoot the rest of the way. Keep dbol levels same.

week 1 480 deca 500 test e 40 mgs e/d dbol then go 240 mgs deca and 250 test the rest of the way.

Alternatively you could frontload the first two weeks:

week1 & 2 480 deca 500 test e 40 mgs e/d dbol then go 240 mgs deca and 250 test the rest of the way.

(how did you end up with such an odd amount mgs wise of deca?)

Assuming your 2400 mgs of deca is from some extra from an old cycle, you could just run 200 a week and 400 week when frontloading and not have to worry about measuring, and running the test like above: 1 250mgs amp a week, 2 when frontloading. Finally if your gear is human grade and this is your first run, a 200mg/week of each (deca and test) for 10 weeks is not bad at all and you will have good gains.

Thats 3 cycles for ya!

[taiboxa]

Im sorry for trying to simplify mt response in terms someone with less experience would understand. No i dont need massive amounts of reading. I have been at this for years. I dont have hundreds of posts but that doesnt mean i dont know shit.

Allow me to please clarify my earlier statement: Deca and eq are similar in their mild androgenic and moderate to high anabolic properties. Sure they aromitize differently. Deca into progesterone, dont take with finasteride, more mass builder, etc while eq is known for hardness and vascularity/hunger, lean gains aromitizes poorly does not have high affinity for AR etc.

But if i had two guys, 1 on eq only and 1 on deca only, I gauranteee 99% of juicers wouldn't be able to tell which is on what.

yes they could.. deca induces greater water retention,synovial fliud retention for joints much more anabolic, plus its completely supressive since its a 19-nor compound.. eq on the ther hand has NO WHERE near the anabolic potentional that deca has, reduces water retention and takes 3x longer to bring on the gains even w/ frontloading since its anabolic effects are much weaker than that of deca.

especially if ur watching someones STRENGTH on a regular basis the one on deca will see immediate strength gains that will continue to increase where as those on EQ will take for ever to see even the slighest improvement in strength.

[green22]

Ive never had any neg. sides from deca .